What Next wrote on Jul 4, 2008 6:07 PM:Hey Mayor Wood how about bring the Chargers Back up, this was a hoot the first time.

Osider wrote on Jul 4, 2008 6:41 PM:Lets cram 1000 condos onto it and see the NIMBYs scream, they will be begging for a stadium after they see the condo project plans. Kinda like Zocallo Hills, Fire Mountain whiners complained about a low key office complex and years later got jammed with a Walmart, HAHAHAHAHAH

I suppose wrote on Jul 4, 2008 7:06 PM:allowing it to remain a golf course is out of the question...?

I remember when... wrote on Jul 4, 2008 10:01 PM:Marvin Bledsoe took it to court and the court ruled that the city had to treat the initiative they refused to recognize just the same as if it had been passed by the voters and it requires a vote of the people of Oceanside before the land can be used as anything but a public park. The
City Attorney should look at the court records. Mr. Bledsoe did us a real favor by protecting that land and giving us the last word on the use of the land. How did he know that KFC would try to over develop it? Don't know but I am glad he did.

Ridiculous wrote on Jul 4, 2008 11:29 PM:The people spoke during the Oceanside Boulevard Task Force meetings. We want this to remain open space and a buffer to the freeway. KFC didn't listen and we need to vote Feller out and keep Rocky from getting the mayorship. What a joke those two are pretending to hear what the neighborhoods have to say.

Legal Beegle wrote on Jul 4, 2008 11:30 PM:Duh..the City would require a vote. Ask the Bledsoe family who worked so hard to ensure that open space and parkland wasn't taken away by a pro-development council!!!! C'mon Craig, You can do better than this!

Ralphs wrote on Jul 5, 2008 5:12 AM:Well the first thing you should do is turn it into something that can generate cash for our city council and mayor to spend on their pet projects. After all isn't that the purpose of us "cash cow" taxpayers?

Jill wrote on Jul 5, 2008 5:50 AM:Of course Osider make at 2000 condos. More people more traffic more every thing. $$$
How about a park!

Tiger Woods says wrote on Jul 5, 2008 7:47 AM:Lets just keep it a golf course and enjoy it for what it is.

Recreation Use wrote on Jul 5, 2008 8:09 AM:Mullen has made a clear path of opportunity for a HOTEL to be constructed as " without a public vote, hotels count as a recreational use." I bet dollars and donuts that McVey has already been approached by an interested Hotelier who point this fact out to her and Mullen! Forget about a Vote, the deal is already cut and dollars and donuts are on the way! THIS KFC Council majority have already voted in favor of the Hotel the rest is just a formality to approve construction! Right now the Council is approving things before the Commissions or Committees even hear about the issue. Example: Chamber Funding already approved at Council Meeting last week, now being taken to Redevelopment Advisory Committee but already shows approved by this Committee on the Council Agenda last week. You all can forget about voting on anything. This DEAL IS COOKED! Wonder which Hotel it will be?

Lavish wrote on Jul 5, 2008 8:16 AM:Keep it a golf course or make it a lavish hotel/recreational park or lavish senior RV park.

Recreation wrote on Jul 5, 2008 8:23 AM:THis is all about KFC wanting to put a hotel there. Kern and Fellar have been yaking about this for a while. Now Chaves is joining suit (who would expect different?). What is wrong with upgrading the course, and LEAVING it as a buffer from the freeway? We are in a WATER CRISIS how can you justify BUILDING MORE? Just wait until you see what these three do to your water bill.

RECREATIONAL USE wrote on Jul 5, 2008 8:49 AM:City Attorney Mullen has opined that a hotel is a recreational use, you bet Mullen we know the type of recreation you speak of; perhaps we can have a convention of City Attorneys and that way you can recreate with each other instead of trying to recreate us.

O-Side wrote on Jul 5, 2008 9:01 AM:Save Goat Hill!!!

Yes its a KFC plot wrote on Jul 5, 2008 9:01 AM:I'm sure it is the spotty green golf course that bothers KFC. Just another opportunity to eliminate even patchy green in Oceanside. And a hotel what are they thinking, if we can not get the Charges like Sanchez wants, this should remain the challenging PGA course it currently is with its name sake "Goat Hill" firmly in place for all of us in Oceanside who want no change at any cost. As a matter of fact now that I live here I too do not want to see another darn thing develop. Shut the doors and lock the gates, we want no more developers in our town!

celtic fan wrote on Jul 5, 2008 9:48 AM:YESSSSS!!!!!!! No more developers in Oceanside. Just fix up and remodel whats here.

Leave It wrote on Jul 5, 2008 10:16 AM:I'd prefer they just leave it what it is, which is an extremely affordable golf course that is within miles of a huge portion city population. The folks running it are doing a great job, and it fills a much needed niche for all those that enjoy golf, but can't afford to pay $50+ to play. Work out the long term lease they are seeking, worst case down the road all this can be revisited.

Go Tiger Woods wrote on Jul 5, 2008 12:00 PM:Why can,t they just leave it as a golf course? What is the problem--GREED???? GRAFT??? Tiger Woods has spoken-he wants it to remain as a nice golf course. Add some amenities such as a good resturant, convention center, add a minature golf course for kids, and a nice science museum for kids. A rose garden so people can walk and enjoy nature. Other towns have this-museums, gardens, and nice places to walk and enjoy nature. All the council can think of is MORE CONDOES!! Where are those council people from? Have they ever visited the Huntington Gardens, walked the nature trails in Encinitas, looked at the rose gardens in Balboa Park in San Diego, or taken a child to play minature golf??? They should take a trip to Yalta and find out what a resort area looks like. They can also check out La Jolla or Carlsbad. Get out of the cave!!

Karen wrote on Jul 5, 2008 12:36 PM:I'd like to see the city council go to Yalta or somewhere, but not at tax payers expense.
There was discussion of a park being developed between the apartments on Greenbrier and the driving range. That would be wonderful. Someone said people might get mugged there, so they get mugged anyway with the area just being an eyesore.

True Blue wrote on Jul 5, 2008 12:51 PM:That property should be used for very large hotel-resort complex and a shopping center. A WalMart Super Center would be a good fit, plus a Target and a sports center with good night lights. How about it City Council? Let's move forward on this!!

SPONDULEX wrote on Jul 5, 2008 12:59 PM:We definitely need a Target Supercenter on the old Goat Hill property, plus a sports center for the citizens, complete with good night lights. We already will have a WalMart Supercenter at El Camino Real and 76, so a Target Supercenter with grocery etc., would be a perfect fit. Round out the property with stores and restaurants, all convenient for Camp Pendleton as well. We could also consider an Indian Casino on this property since they now can locate anywhere. All producing high revenue for the City as well. Let's move on this City Council!! Think of ALL the citizens of this area, not just the NIMBYS who happen to live in a tract near Goat Hill!!

Dude wrote on Jul 5, 2008 1:18 PM:I just got done playing Goat Hill today and it was a real pleasure. We need to keep this site as a golf course!!!Just because the politicians want to generate more $$$ for themselves and city employee benefits does'nt mean that we the citizens should go along with it. They don't care about us, the working people who just want to go out and play golf at an affordable price.

Keep wrote on Jul 5, 2008 3:25 PM:Keep the golf course, and of course add some fine dining and ? Open land, park land is a valuable and desirable thing to have. Shopping centers are already on Oceanside blv-they need an up-grade. ANYONE KNOW that VISIONS worked to come up with a beautification project for Oceanside Blv? People worked hard and the city has not followed the plan! Rockey stuck his head in the door while the visions plannners were developing a plan. Politics? Show your face like you care?

yikes wrote on Jul 5, 2008 3:48 PM:Come on, do we really need more hotels or houses??? I agree, leave it as nature as possible....maybe a skate park for the kids since they tore down the one by the pier for another hotel. are all of the rooms really filled in all these hotels?
i like the comment above about putting something similar to balboa park, museums, gardens, etc....

OCEANSIDE CITIZEN wrote on Jul 5, 2008 3:48 PM:I think Spondulex is onto something here. The Luiseno Indians could sure use another casino and there's no legal reason why they couldn't build one on the old Goat Hill golf course. None at all. Great idea. We need to approach them about this! Tie that in with a middle sized stadium for sports events. The Native Americans could also add a big casino hotel. Let's get moving on this City Council!!

Fargo wrote on Jul 5, 2008 3:51 PM:If this land could be given to the Indians in and become their sovereign land, a casino could be built on it. A deal could be cut with the Indians to get a piece of the action. Aren't there indigenous indians in the area whereby this could work? It would be an ideal location, right along the freeway between LA and San Diego, with the beach nearby. The casino could purchase beachfront property as it grows, and it would be the best thing going, the jewel of the Pacific insofar as casino properties go. And again, it would be a tax dollar cash cow for Oceanside.

No hotel wrote on Jul 5, 2008 4:02 PM:It would be a really nice recreational camping park. Like the State Parks. Put in some scenic man made lakes and a natural water park.

The city could rake in some big bucks for a reservation type camping/RV park. It would created jobs for Oceanside too.

Maintenance, accounting , security , park clerks and ranger type guys. I think that would be really cool.

Target wrote on Jul 5, 2008 6:04 PM:Had a visit back east (Houston) for vacation and shopped in a Target Supercenter. Was not impressed. The place was almost empty. The Wal-mart across the street from the Target had all the business!! Is it possible you work for Target?? Indian casino-it would put our little Oceans Eleven Casino out of business-don't want that either.

There is wrote on Jul 5, 2008 6:11 PM:going to be a Walmart Supercenter at 76 and ECR? Really? I missed that story, but I guess it doesn't surprise me, this is Oceanside after all, we never met a Walmart we didn't like.

Erik wrote on Jul 5, 2008 7:08 PM:Forget the casino, let people go east (or north Oceans 11) for that. Who is blogging here? Developers?

To Target wrote on Jul 5, 2008 10:28 PM:That's the point KFC and the developers don't care who they put out or the damage they do to the town and it's people just so long as THEIR pockets get lined with the green.
Do you really think they care? NO they don't, they don't care what direction the city goes into, or the direction the people who pay their paychecks goes into,just so long as THEIR pockets get lined with the green. They are greedy little politicians who can't let a piece of property that is enjoyed by many just stay as it is.
If it's not broken they'll be around to break it.

PoPo wrote on Jul 6, 2008 12:34 AM:I think they should put a flea market there. They could have free mariachi bands play on the weekends.

Good Use wrote on Jul 6, 2008 6:58 AM:What about a landfill? Lower our trash rates by selling space to other North County cities.

BarbsKid wrote on Jul 6, 2008 9:25 AM:We moved to Oceanside when I was seven years old, and that was back in 1960!
I've spent my life in North County, and the last twenty years or so in Oceanside.

Here's my biggest issue....is there any neighborhood in Oceanside that does not have houses for sale that are "bank owned" or under the mortgage fiasco sword? How, in the name of sanity, can we first of all consider building new homes when this is the fact?

Besides, what's wrong with keeping it as is? It's a visual pleasure to see the trees and greens along the Oceanside Blvd and I-5 corridors.

I truly do not understand the logic that says build build build build, and ignore the impact on our community and our economy. But then....I only have to run my household in a time of economic uncertainty, not a city. I want to be there at that meeting. I want to hear the pro's and con's of this issue. I want to be involved in my city's future growth.

Go to the meeting about Goat Hill wrote on Jul 6, 2008 9:55 AM:July 10th 7 pm at the Senior Center. Too bad you will have to miss the free concert in the park that was planned for this date longer than this meeting was.

Dinosaur wrote on Jul 6, 2008 10:15 AM:Barbskid- you called it. It's always about MONEY MONEY MONEY!!! People and governments can't elevate their thinking and that's why the human race is trashing this world.

Dumb wrote on Jul 6, 2008 10:28 AM:Open it up for off road vehicle use.

Or, perhaps, a moto cross track.

PoPo wrote on Jul 6, 2008 11:52 AM:How about a really big taco shop? We need more taco shops and a really big one makes much more sense....kinda like Wal-Mart.

Former OSider wrote on Jul 6, 2008 2:01 PM:Legalize prostitution and build the west coast's biggest bordello! It will generate more income than a casino.

clyde wrote on Jul 7, 2008 5:37 AM:hows about a big check cashing store

Serious wrote on Jul 8, 2008 11:50 AM:How can we be serious about this as the dumkopfs on the council have no concept as to what a nice town should look like. So why not make goat hill a big garbage dump-who needs park land. Whoever wants to buil a condo or a check cashing place or a porno shop--ok, whatever!

Canyon Crest wrote on Jul 9, 2008 2:03 PM:KUDOS, to my very witty, fellow O-sisde residents. Your posts are as funny as a Mad Magazine. What Creativity! What Sarcasm! What Brilliance! -- although, some bloggers didn't quite get it and were sucked in! Oye vey.

Yet, another reason why I like my city.

For the record, leave Goat Hill as is.