OCEANSIDE: City to address downtown parking problems
By CRAIG TENBROECK -- Staff Writer | ∞
After dropping coins into parking meters, people prepare to go to the beach on Pacific Street in Oceanside on Thursday. (Hayne Palmour IV/Staff photographer)
A man closes his trunk after parking in the free parking lot at Mission Avenue and Cleveland Street in downtown Oceanside on Thursday (Hayne Palmour IV/ Staff Photographer) OCEANSIDE ---- Parking is already strained in downtown Oceanside and, with new hotels, restaurants and high-rise buildings in the works, the crunch is likely to get worse.
With roughly 7,500 on- and off-street spaces in the downtown area, the overall supply isn't the real issue ---- at least for now, said Kathy Baker, the city's redevelopment manager.
"It's when, where and how people are parking," she said. "There are a lot of competing needs for parking down there."
The city has scheduled two public workshops next week to discuss downtown parking.
Once all of the issues are examined, the city can begin putting together a long-term parking management plan, said Kim Heim, executive director of MainStreet Oceanside, which is collaborating with city officials on the parking issue.
Anyone who lives or travels downtown is invited to share their observations at the workshop, Heim said. He said it's important to start addressing concerns now.
"Given the variety of users we're going to have in here, if we don't start to take a more frequent and in-depth look at parking on a routine basis, we'll be caught by surprise," Heim said.
Like most beachfront cities, Oceanside has had parking issues for years, Mayor Jim Wood said Thursday.
"All summer long, if you go down and watch, everybody is driving around, waiting for somebody to pull out," Wood said.
Robert Alexander, manager of G.I. Joe's military supply on Pier View Way, said his customers don't lack for spaces, but they're often confused by the regulations. Tremont Street, he noted, has a one-hour parking limit on one side of Pier View Way and a two-hour limit on the other.
"People get confused, go eat lunch, and then the city nails them with a $50 parking ticket," Alexander said. "Military and tourists come down here and they gaffe 'em."
Last year, Hatter Williams and Purdy Insurance pulled up stakes from the corner of Mission Avenue and Ditmar Street and moved to Carlsbad, partly because of difficulties with employee parking, company officials said at the time.
At Ranch & Sea Realty on Mission Avenue, the office administrator watches for code enforcement officers poised to mark tires or write tickets, employees said Thursday.
That's their warning system, said Realtor David Albert, one of the 20-some workers who hopscotch between one-hour street-side parking spots and the longer-term lot a few blocks away. The system isn't always effective, he added.
"I've had no less than eight tickets over the last 15 months," Albert said during an interview in the office lobby.
The city has proposed another parking garage at Cleveland Street and Pier View Way. But the plan is to do more than just add spaces, Heim said. There may be more efficient ways of circulating existing spaces to accommodate people who head downtown, he said.
"It's your classic calculus problem," Heim said. "You've got multiple variables and somewhere in that mix is a best-case set of options."
The 90-minute workshops will be held at 6 p.m. Monday and 8:30 a.m. Wednesday in City Council chambers, 300 N. Coast Highway.
For information about the workshops, contact the city at (760) 435-3547 or MainStreet Oceanside at (760) 754-4512.
Contact staff writer Craig TenBroeck at (760) 901-4062 or ctenbroeck@nctimes.com. Comment at nctimes.com.
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Jojoclown wrote on Mar 27, 2008 2:31 PM:As a clown what do I know, but the lack of parking probably expands in proportion to increased building in the area. If this aspect is not considered before inscreased building density there will eventualy be a big shortage of parking places. Bottom line before you build conside the increased vehicles that it will generate in the area and allow for parking in proportion. High density = shortage of parking. Why the Regal Theaters were built where it is is beyond my comprehension. It should have been built on Canyon and Mission as this part of town had vacant lots galore in the area, and could have used a face lift. So now we have the big condos and time shares and the pier and the beach and the theaters and the train station jammed into the down town area, while the area of Mission and Canyon is begining to look very third world! Plan ahead-what plan? Resident since 1975-after leaving the circus!
barbra wrote on Mar 27, 2008 4:39 PM:OUR CITY IS BECOMING AND IS VERY CROWDED. WHAT IS IT WITH THE CITY COUNCIL?. THE BIGGER THE MORE POWERFUL AND SHOW OFF THEY FEEL. OUT OF ALL THE YEARS THAT WE SURVIVED WITHOUT ALL THESE EXTRA HOUSES AND PEOPLE, WE WERE AT LEAST AT PEACE AND THE REAL OCEANSIDE HAS DWINDLED AND LEFT ANOTHER BUSY AS HELL AND OVER CROWDED L.A, MEXICO, SAN DIEGO, SAN BERNARDINO, OTC. ENOUGH ALREADY. WHY KEEP ADDING ALL THIS CRAP AND CAUSING UNREST AND DISTRACTION, AND OVER CROWDED CONDITIONS, ESPECIALLY TO OL TIMERS WHO HAVE BROUGHT THIS CITY ALONG FOR MANY MANY YEARS. THEY ARE GETING THE WORST, DUE TO HIGHER EVERYTHING HERE. SOME THINGS NEED TO REMAIN AS THEY ARE. STOP TRYING TO PLEASE THE BIG SHOTS, AND TRY UNDERSTANDING AND DOING FOR THE NOT BIG SHOT AND THE BORN AND BREAD OCEANSIDERS. NO MORE BUILDINGS AND NO MORE CROWDS. MOST OF THE CITY COUNCIO OR NONE AT ALL LIVE IN THIS AREA TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THESE TYPE OF CREATED CONDITIONS. ENOUGH, ENOUGH. LEAVE US SOME PEACE.
ANYONE WANT TO PROTEST THIS CONSTANT BUILDING?
GFN wrote on Mar 27, 2008 9:01 PM:Hey Rocky,Feller, and Kern; didn't you think of the issue of parking BEFORE you approved all the building??? Oh wait, if you did that you would no longer be the darlings of the development community! Who knows, you may not be able to afford those $900,000 houses on the hill; you would have to flip hamburgers like the kids at Oceanside High School. Keep building!! Don't stop until you completely ruin the quality of life for the rest of us!!!!
TESSA wrote on Mar 27, 2008 10:15 PM:BARBRA I AGREE WITH YOU!! IF YOU NEED A PROTEST PARTNER ID BE GLAD TO HELP! STOP MAKING OCEANSIDE MORE CROWDED!! WE LOVE THE WAY IT IS NOW LEAVE IT ALONE
Veritas wrote on Mar 28, 2008 12:39 AM:Perhaps it is time to take a suggestion from the last city council election campaign. The suggestion was to form a Downtown Parking District and Authority.
Downtown observer wrote on Mar 28, 2008 6:44 AM:SOLUTION: Since so many businesses are CLOSED AND VACANT, why not utilize THOSE empty parking lots (the vacant car lot that was "Pier View Auto Sales" at Missouri and Coast Hwy. for example!). Also if the city can afford a FREE SHUTTLE for people to be transported from the pier to the harbor (all summer long), why not a shuttle from the empty business parking lots on Coast Hwy. to the pier? Since empty, and vacating Coast Hwy. businesses are an excellent example of the recession "not yet happening", then let the empty business parking lots be used to give the ILLUSION of summer prosperity in O-side!
Walt wrote on Mar 28, 2008 6:50 AM:Higher density! Crowded living so people can experience togetherness!. Live near work! That what "smart growth" transit oriented development is all about. It is the mainstay of SANDAG's long range plan for regional prosperity! Why aren't people using the buses and trains taxpayers have spent hundreds of millions of dollars to provide, instead of needing space to park cars?
Pirate wrote on Mar 28, 2008 7:06 AM:I work downtown. The only parking problem is off-peak, mostly during the summer and weekends. The public lot at tremont and civic center sits mostly vacant during the week. Instead of giving tickets to the three cars in the lot, let workers obtain a pass to park there between 8 and 5. Also, a parking problem should be considered a good thing. That means that something good is happening in Oceanside that attracts people. The current problem is the empty restaurants and lack of people during the workweek.
Loving Downtown! wrote on Mar 28, 2008 7:15 AM:Keep building nice stuff and build a parking garage in the parking lots on Cleveland. For all of you that like Oceanside the way it was your crazy. The panhandlers and homeless at the pier and the smell of urine down there was disgusting. I didn't feel safe eight years ago when I moved in and now I do. I'm proud to walk my neighborhood now and can't wait for more nice development. The new restaurant at the pier is going to be great and now more will follow. I’m tired of the poor renters deciding what Oceanside should look like. I pay over $4,000 in taxes on my house every year and I don’t need some activist renter deciding what the area should look like. Go Kern, Chavez, and Feller!
Empty Nest wrote on Mar 28, 2008 7:49 AM:The daytime beach visitors are all there are. There is nothing downtown for the average joe to spend money on. We live here and are not tourists looking for trinkets in some tourist shop. We like the beach food places where we can buy our kids a burger and ice cream or great coffee we can afford. There is nothing up town we can afford in the restaurants designed and priced for tourists. No wonder the nest is empty during the week. The new parking garage is great for the locals. Let's hope they don't start charging $5 an hour to park there.
Vacation rentals wrote on Mar 28, 2008 8:24 AM:The city need to make all the people who rent vacation rentals pay extra for parking. All the damn vacation rentals take up the parking from the residents and leave us no where to park!
birdhead wrote on Mar 28, 2008 9:06 AM:business owners and their employees should be issued parking passes and park in designated areas several blocks away from their businesses to free up the downtown core.
Oh brother! wrote on Mar 28, 2008 9:16 AM:Since when is Heim skilled in parking caluclations? Heck, he can't even run Main Street the right way. And Kathy Baker? Pleeeze...she is underqualified in a job with too much power. These two need to go!
Hurry up! wrote on Mar 28, 2008 9:17 AM:Hurry up and fast track the parking garage! Constantly giving away our public parking for private uses is killing the downtown area for the residents. We can't find spaces so we go shop and dine in Carlsbad. Are you listening??????
Umm.. wrote on Mar 28, 2008 10:19 AM:First, "people get confused"? Ummm.. look at the signs. I feel no pitty. None. There are signs posted. Read the one nearest your car. On the SAME side of the street.
Secondly, parking in designated areas several blocks away... away from what, and whats over there? Other peoples business. The NTCD needs to get the heck out of the stone age and dump this archaic scheduling and routing that takes THREE hours to go anywhere and bring on more big city like bus methods. This is not a little podunk town anymore. If public transit wasn't so lame, people might use it. the Sprinter is a start. The Sprinter should have been double tracked and the busy crossings separated. That way it could run every 15-20 minutes like a "real" system. Other cities have no "schedule" on the busses during peak times. Every 10 to 15 minutes one goes by. Simple. None of this crazy going in circles counter clockwise/clockwise every half hour if you are lucky, otherwise every hour.
Concerned about the expense of Right-of-Ways? Build monorails down the center of the freeway and major streets. Or take the trolley approach like San Diego, use the right of way they already own. Make these things actually go someplace.
To: Empty Nest wrote on Mar 28, 2008 11:50 AM:If you can't afford to eat at Mary's or the Longboarder then you better move to Kansas.
To: Jojoclown & Barbra wrote on Mar 28, 2008 11:52 AM:Stop writing in CAPS! It's like you're screaming.
Woops wrote on Mar 28, 2008 11:53 AM:Sorry Jojoclown. I guess it's only Barbra screaming.
ams wrote on Mar 28, 2008 1:15 PM:Use the area off the old road to the marina. You could have a huge parking area there and it is right on the beach. Hardly anyone uses that part of the beach now. Let the condos and new shops come downtown and do underground parking under all the new buildings. Build a new parking garage. There are still a lot of good options. Lets not let it get caught up in beuacratic red tape.
lives downtown wrote on Mar 28, 2008 1:26 PM:We have lived downtown for 10 years. It is much better now than it was 10 years ago thanks to the new development. we look forward to quality continued growth which which cleans up the downtown area. It is interesting that most of you who complain oppose any and everything that is nice and new. Maybe you should all move to a third class country you would be happy with no change.
Nancy wrote on Mar 28, 2008 1:46 PM:No underground parking was required of the downtown movie theater.........that was a big mistake but it jump started the building process. Remember we had very little going down there before the theater. Every beach city up and down the coast has parking problems; you want the beach you automatically get expensive limited parking.
Most tourists will have to pay or walk a good distance. Happens everywhere.
Heim In Charge? wrote on Mar 28, 2008 1:55 PM:No wonder folks are finding downtown disturbing. He seems to have his fingers in everything in Redevelopment which leads one to believe he is capable of routing traffic. He and Kathy Baker sem to have a special relationship. He does everything she does not want to have done. Does he get another $100,000. for his parking plan? Neither of them are qualified to make the decisions about parking anything but their office chairs.
GFN wrote on Mar 28, 2008 2:00 PM:Alf, is that you?
Ain't It A Shame! wrote on Mar 28, 2008 3:00 PM:Two resturants, Mary's and the Longboarder are the only downtown options this person can think of to take my family in downtown! Thanks, but I am aware of them both! I will just stick to eating at the Pier Plaza area for burgers, coffee, and ice cream cones that will not put my kids in sick bay!
Seasonal Visitors wrote on Mar 28, 2008 3:03 PM:People who live in Oceanside are not seasonal tourist visitors. Frankly, we do not care where they park. We have a very nice parking garage and another one on the way. Good enough for those of us who might need parking. The hotels provide their own parking, so what is the big deal. Just have that old man writing parking tickets retire and all will be well!
Derek wrote on Mar 28, 2008 3:13 PM:Oceanside, crowded? Are you serious? San Francisco has four times the population living on the same size piece of land.
trick wrote on Mar 29, 2008 7:20 AM:
Name:TRICK
I have experienced how cities North of Oceanside have "PLANNING"
and very good insight of what the existing residents "DEMAND" of thier
City Government. Another example. Fact. South of Oceanside: Carlsbad on
down to La Jolla is overall more people friendly and property value is
very high. Same as North of O'side. For to long to City leaders from the
strart of the 70's- Now try to place blame on when the Military Housing
and the 'next to the Base' is why Oceanside was, is and ongoing a poorly
run planned dirty pithole. Low income "HOUSING"is not mandated and is not
requirement. If your unable to afford to live here go to where you can.
Common sence. I can't demand and lobby, ... and complain that I want to
live in Malibu, CA. so the next open space there is for us just because
'I'm now there and with all my other low income have nots so fit us in
......... Fat chance that would happen. As a resident that lives here in
Oceanside I have had enough of this illegal advocating the City's
heuristic plan. For the low income proponents and supporters. More
shopping carts,trash, stupid little cars with loud exhaust, with there car
alarms. Racing around my area in going or leaving their lowincome
apartment units or their multi-3 family overcroweded
housing................ Thanks to Sanchez, Woodhead, Oldfeller and others
in their mis-management and disregard for US the RESIDNTS. Sometime in the
future here these issues and others (ie City Manager Steve Jepsen, Wattabe
soon to be Mr. Forward and the cities legal appeals departments no
responce to anyones letter for reviews or determinations of the complaint
is stacking up ... Stop all multi-housing now .. The people that pay the
Taxes on our homes would like to enjoy them peacefully. ***Learn it. Know
it. Do it.***
Submit:Submit Letter to the Editor
GET THE CHANGE wrote on Mar 29, 2008 9:26 AM:I agree with Barbra, and other like minded folk/residents. Yes protest for the better planning...not just building so you look good for developers...
In this case...then all of us who care need to show up at these Meetings...! If you don't show you leave it open for idiots at the city to plan...and obviously they have No talent in that department....so show up to these meetings everyone! I am there, and bring some great ideas....because it has to be addressed ...I will be there Monday..hope to see a lot of concerned residents there
responsible planning wrote on Mar 29, 2008 10:23 AM:The new Windwards condos at the end of Neptune have restricted their own parking for the benefit of their own owners while creating a parking nightmare in the rest of the neighborhood. They couldn't care less about being good and responsible neighbors.
It's important that the city carefully considers actual needs of all new development downtown since many owners will not do it on their own.
They could require all the larger developments to go underground and offer tax incentives by building an extra level or two that could be paid for by other smaller developments in lieu of providing their own in situations where it is not possible to provide their own.
If anything, have an extra city owned parking garage that could be rented out for street fairs and other special events to help shoulder the cost in times when the additional parking isn't needed.
bb wrote on Mar 29, 2008 11:18 AM:WALK!
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