mark wrote on Dec 14, 2007 9:44 AM:That this Marine just up and killed that guy for no reason doesnt make a whole lot of sense. Hopefully the panel doesn't feel so rock solid right in their decision that they are willing to hand out a stiff sentence.

AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Dec 14, 2007 12:21 PM:It Was Dark! Fighting for one's life In The Dark! How the heck would Holmes know how many times the guy was sliced or stabbed? Adrenaline is a good and a bad thing. It can save your life because it gives you the strength you need to survive; which, apparently, in a court-martial is used against you. Facing your own mortality makes you (literally) sick to your stomach. It makes you react and continue to react until you know damned well you're going to survive; that there is no longer a threat to yourself, and in this case, your fellow Marines. It Was Dark! It was in a small area. If that Prosecutor thinks that a smaller man can't kick a larger man's rear, then that Prosecutor has no business being a Marine; much less Persecuting one. The Lance Cpl. is a survivor; which, today, seems to be something for which our troops must apologize, cry, and grovel in order to show so-called Remorse. I hope this Panel isn't as vindictive as the one at Sgt. Hutchins court-martial. Remorse, is being re-defined by the Prosecutor, who has only one goal: to Prosecute! No true Marine would expect another to crawl, cry, and grovel as a way to prove remorse. It's drilled into Marines to take a bended knee to No one. If the Panel at any court-martial is comprised of ignorannt Marines who can't tell the difference, then they shouldn't be allowed to judge another Marine's remorse. If it was so damned important at Sgt. Hutchins trial then, why didn't the Panel have the guts to come right out and ask him specifically what they needed to know? Their ignorance, eager acceptance of the Prosecutor's BS routine, and lack of respect toward another Marine caused a decent young man a 15 year sentence. Military Prosecutors are re-creating the Corps'. They're persecuting good, decent men, "creating" crimes, and "creating" criminals of men we need to fight for this ungrateful country. They are a politician's delight.

becky wrote on Dec 14, 2007 12:29 PM:I don't think he should have been kicked out, since this has already torn him up emotionally. I hope they at least take care of him mentally, even with a BCD. He should be given a chance to make things right. I know he would've made a damn good Marine. Oh, that's right, he already has.

Only God Knows... wrote on Dec 14, 2007 12:34 PM:what really happened. "17 stab wounds, 26 slashes" and "Some of the wounds nearly severed his spine." is a pretty clear indicator though to what was going on in this mans mind."

Justice? wrote on Dec 14, 2007 12:36 PM:This can only be a major setback for relations between our troops and Iraqi troops. If I was a family member of the dead Iraqi soldier I would be pretty upset. Just think if it was the other way round from an Iraqi court it would be headline news in this country and people would be screaming to nuke the country.

bush will wrote on Dec 14, 2007 12:39 PM:give the medal of honor. Hearts and minds my ... .

A second chance... wrote on Dec 14, 2007 1:29 PM:To SNAP again. This guy should never be allowed to do any job that requires him to have ANY sort of authority or be in charge of a weapon. Something isn't right with this guy. Becky - You should apply your compassion to the dead Iraqi in this story too. He was a human being and serving his country too.

Chris wrote on Dec 14, 2007 1:50 PM:There goes AW4cryingoutloud again. The evidence disputes everything she is saying but that doesn't make any difference. I am sick of the bigotry and hatred of my fellow Americans who think they are so educated and civilized. This war has taugh me that many if not most of Americans are the worst of the worst (just look at what we did during the sanctions) and yet they talk about the Islamic extremist. I am just so angry at the cluelessness and hatred in this country that I cannot see straight.

AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Dec 14, 2007 1:59 PM:To Justice?: Have you forgotten the many Iraqi troops who have also set up our troops to be killed? As for any setback for relations. Why do you think our troops are unnecessarily being persecuted and prosecuted over and over again? We've appeased and groveled and cowered, submitted to financial blackmail, and sacrificed our own for the "relations" you mention. NO people of any country are worth sacrificing our own in this manner. No people of any country are worth the ruination of reputations and futures, and futures of the families of those who fight for our freedoms; freedoms Constitutionally granted to our troops yet denied them more and more. There's no justice in that.

AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Dec 14, 2007 2:22 PM:To Chris: Transparency is your problem. I must be making sense or you wouldn't pick me out of many who are aware of what's going on in this country. Appeasing the Iraqi government and troop haters such as yourself, is for personal and political gain; Nothing more. You can't be any more sick of this country than I am hearing about it. If Americans, in your mind, are the 'worst of the worst', then PUHLEEZE...LEAVE! Go where you will be appreciated. If that must be the Islamic Extremists you so often defend, then go be among them and preach to THEIR choir for a change.

Justice weeps wrote on Dec 14, 2007 2:27 PM:Only in the military do killers get off with no time. Like the old saying goes, "military justice is to justice what military music is to music".

Chris to AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Dec 14, 2007 2:46 PM:Me appeasing the Iraqi government? How ridiculous. The only thing I try to appease is what is right. But you don't care what is right when it comes to the wrongs committed to Iraqis.

throw this garbage wrote on Dec 14, 2007 3:01 PM:back in jail!

AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Dec 14, 2007 3:40 PM:To Chis: You say the evidence disputes everything I say. To which "evidence" are you referring? You may want to go back and re-read my comments at 2:22PM. I did not say that 'you' were appeasing anyone. I was referring to our government, our politcians, appeasing the Iraqi government and troop haters such as yourself. The "evidence" for reference to you as a troop hater lies in your own words; not just in this article, but over months of blogging. I care about what is right. What is NOT right is this continuous persecution of Americans. In your own words, Americans are the worst of the worst. You compare us to Islamic Extremists. There is NO comparison. Whatever happened, and how it happened during Lance Cpl. Holmes' fight, he was defending himself and protecting the lives of fellow Marines. This is War. You and Justice seem to have difficulty remembering that.

To Justice wrote on Dec 14, 2007 4:05 PM:If the roles were reversed the military would never tell us that out marine was killed by a guy who was supposed to be working with us.. They would simply chalk it up to him passing on in battle and that Iraqi probably wouldn't even face a prison sentence...

Mom of a Marine wrote on Dec 14, 2007 6:15 PM:Hey, Can any ONE of you calling this Marine who defended his life...tell me of ONE SINGLE IRAQI insurgent who has been arrested, imprisoned, talked about as guilty all over the world, tried convicted and sentenced for anything?...Just ONE...give me a name!!! They have not only killed thousands of our American Military but thousands and thousands of their own people. C'mon....give me the name of one! This is pure bull!!! All of this. This is a war...

Karen wrote on Dec 14, 2007 7:20 PM:I pray for Lance Cpl. Delano V. Holmes and all other soldiers for what they have to do and witness. We have no idea. God Bless them ALL. May they find PEACE and I thank them from the bottom of my heart for their service.

Chris to Marine mom wrote on Dec 14, 2007 7:39 PM:What about all the detainees that were killed while they were being tortured. What about those women and children who were killed in Haditha. There are thousands of Iraqis detained without charges and they have no right to a hearing. Oh, I get it, they were all terrorist. Well how do we know if they don't have a hearing. It is people like you and AW4cryinoutloud that are the reason there will be no peace because our troops are always right and the Iraqis are always wrong. Our president lies to us and sends our troops over to a country that had nothing to do with attacking us and right away most of the American people hate all Iraqis. Don't give me that about not hating them because evertytime one of our military persons kills someone and lies about it (like Holmes did) it was justified. All the evidence points to the fact that he was not defending his life. Remember he was found guilty but that doesn't mean anything to you or AW4cryinoutloud. After all the people who tried him were just bowing down to the Iraqi government.

Chris to AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Dec 14, 2007 7:46 PM:"Appeasing the Iraqi government and troop haters such as youself". That sentence seems to include me as wanting to appease the Iraqi governemtn but I will admit it could be taken both ways. It is blind hatred for the Iraqis without cause that really disgust me. Don't tell me that you don't hate them all because even when it is shown that women and children were slaughtered there is no sympathy from you only excusses.

Chris to AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Dec 14, 2007 8:08 PM:So we Americans are not the worst of the worst. Just go to "cool war" wich has to do with our sanctions and then tell me how wonderful we are. Of course you won't because you just want to wave the flag and ignore everything else.

Glad I wrote on Dec 14, 2007 8:46 PM:am not there in Iraq. We are there for oil. If Africa had oil and Iraq a jungle, we would be in Africa.

to mom of a marine wrote on Dec 14, 2007 9:48 PM:I am currently in Iraq and I can tell you first hand that there are many, many Iraqi insurgents who are tried and convicted in Iraqi courts. It doesn't make the news because it isn't gruesome and violent. If all of you buy the "I was afraid for my life because there was a cigaratte on Post" crap- than you are truly ignorant. This guy just freaked out and stabbed or slashed him 40 times. I have done 3 back to back combat tours here and can tell you that it doesn't take 40 stabs to kill an Insurgent.

Sick of it ... wrote on Dec 14, 2007 9:55 PM:I am so tired of hearing "war for oil". Do me a favor and tell me where that gas station is.

AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Dec 14, 2007 10:17 PM:To Chris: You have got to be kidding me. If there is no peace it will be because people, and I use the word lightly, like Islamic Extremists don't want peace. They want the world to follow their beliefs or die. I don't know how many times I have to tell you that I don't hate the Iraqi people; I will protect and defend my own people before any other. Looks like you do the same. You definitely are not a Borg; you are unable to assimilate. If our President lied, then so did Clinton, Pelosi, Kennedy, Kerry, Reid, Clinton (the other one), and on and on. I never said I didn't sympathize for the loss of lives of Iraqi children. I said that you nor anyone else knows how many were killed by insurgents. They do have a well known reputation for it. Where have you been? Get your head out of the "Cool War" BS about the UN and get yourself updated on the present. Your disdain for Bush is fascinating. Your "Cool War" stated that the UN adopted those sanctions in 1991. What about 1993 to 2000? I don't guess Clinton had anything to do with continuing same. As for 500,000 Iraqi children dying, did it ever occur to you that Saddam was responsible for that? Did it ever occur to you to ask where the writer got her figures? Fascinating how someone in the media can throw figures out there and we're all supposed to take her word. What do you do; search and search until you find a site that reports inflammatory, unproven figures? Kind of like the courts-martial for the accused Marines; Nothing Proven, just thrown out there to appeal to the ignorant who want to believe it. No corroboration; only Hearsay. As for Holmes; While supposedly being presumed innocent he got to spend 10 months in the Brig for defending himself in time of war. Geeze! You should be foamin' at the mouth over that. Stop your whining and go away.

Justice? wrote on Dec 14, 2007 10:17 PM:many Iraqis are not terrorists, they are freedom fighters. Fighting to kick us out for occupying their country. We would do the same if a foreign army was in our country.

Lee wrote on Dec 15, 2007 8:18 AM:When will the real military stand up and cry out against these atrocities? Are there no more men and woman true to what America stands for. Or are there only these murderers and their supporters. Another stain on this country's soul.

to the public wrote on Dec 15, 2007 8:21 AM:Let me ask all of you who support Holmes some questions: How many of you have stood post with a Marine who was goofing around on post? Did you stab them to death?? No, because you are probably not a psychopathic killer. Another question: Holmes, who apparently feels sorry for what he did after having covered it up, being caught, and being in jail for all this time is now a free man. Do you want him living in your neighborhood, next to your children? As a convicted felon, he can't possess a gun - but he can still get knives. Just do me a favor, and all of you that support him so much, why don't you take him in to your house? I'm sure he's not a violent person...he was just defending himself against the Iraqi who was about 65 pounds lighter, right? The justice system is flawed, and foreign victims are not given justice. This is wrong. War does not mean open season on people of other countries, with no consequences. That's what Americans are supposed to be about. We're supposed to rise above. Today, we have sunk lower, and Holmes has tricked all of you who believe him and his lies.

da kahuna wrote on Dec 15, 2007 8:26 AM:I was over there for 22 months and I know what its like. I lost a LT on patrol because our so called Iraqi army friends turned on him and killed him. We ended up killing all of them because they has set us up in an ambush. This stuff will be in my brain for ever. I can only imagine what this young Marine went through. Try walking around with a loaded weapon knowing that you will have to use in a split second or die if you don't react.

to the public wrote on Dec 15, 2007 10:09 AM:to "da kahuna" - I think your situation and experience is absolutely justified and necessary. But from what I've read in these articles, Holmes was not in your situation - he was on post, on base, with other Marines right outside his post, a radio at his side, he outweighted the victim, and all Hassin did was allegedly light a cigarette. There was no ambush. There was no one else there to threaten Holmes - it was one Iraqi, who was smaller than Holmes, and had only a cigarette in his hand - if you believe that story. This is why I am so upset about Holmes being free now, and people supporting him because they equate your situation to his. That is not fair. The situation you were in was a true life or death situation. Holmes is a murderer who stabbed a helpless person over 40 times. I think people are forgetting that Holmes was not in the life and death combat situation that so many of our Marines face each day. Holmes did not kill an insurgent or enemy combatant - he murdered someone in cold blood. What you did was honorable and necessary - I think to say that Holmes' situation and yours are the same is to diminish the honorable actions you had to take. Semper fi.

DESERT BUG wrote on Dec 15, 2007 10:16 AM:I now ignore the ignorant and hysterical remarks of those who defend the enemy and condem Marines. They are of the same ilk as Jane Fonda who was over there kissing up to the Viet Cong while the Cong was at the same time torturing and abusing American prisoners. Let's not forget that it's not over 'til it's over. Corporal Holmes' sentence is only Step #1. It is subject to review and it is my hope that it will be set aside; Holmes will be reinstated and returned to duty to serve as the good Marine that he is. Case closed. Semper Fi !!! If that is not the final result, then a serious miscarriage of justice will have occured. General Helland, do the right thing ~ set this sentence aside, restore Holmes and let's move on.

Bo Gato wrote on Dec 15, 2007 10:52 AM:The only guilty American parties in this war occupy the White House. They put our troops in harms way under false pretences with no plan to get them out. The troops are subjected to insanity 24/7...of course there are going to be cases were some of our soldiers snap or over-react. Only Corporal Holmes knows what happened in this case, when he says he feared for his life we have to take his word for it. The fact that the Iraqi was smaller does not matter, assualt rifles work in the hands of short people too. This young man needs our help, not punishment! Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, and Rice are the ones that deserve punishment!

AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Dec 15, 2007 11:17 AM:To 'to' the public: In answer to your question; It's a stupid question. NO one was goofing around on post. Guarding against Snipers is dangerous. If one uses a cell phone or lights a cigarette in the dark, "knowing" the danger it presents, there are two good reasons: the guy is a complete idiot or aiding the enemy. When asked to stop the Iraqi' attacked Holmes. In a confined area, in the dark, in a fight for survival and in a fight to protect fellow Marines, You don't have the right to judge this young Marine guilty. You weren't there! As for Holmes living in my neighborhood; Yes! Who cares if he can get knives 4cryinoutloud. You can slit a throat with a credit card. You can snap a neck. Ask a Turkey. Who cares that he was larger than the Iraqi? I know someone very close who is smaller than guys he fought. He never lost. Ask Chuck Norris what he thinks about what a smaller guy can do. Convicted felon? Yes! Why? Because of the cowardice and failure of our leaders in time of war. Which leaders? Civilian and military. You're right; the "military" justice system IS flawed. You're wrong about War not meaning open season on people of other countries. Ask all those around the world who have been killed by Islamic Extremists, Terrorists; and, yes, I know they're dead. I'm being facetious. Ask those who have been tortured and mutilated by these barbaric people. How about the 3,000 of our own on 9/11? No Consequences? Oh give me a break. Holmes spent 10 months in the Brig for defending himself and his men in the WAR that you mention. Sgt. Hutchins has spent 18 months in the Brig because of cowardly leaders in time of WAR that you mention. Convicted felons? Yes! And I'm damned proud to know them, to be in their company, and would have them in my house any day of the week. I'm sick of your remarks about consequences. AlQaeda operative Ali Abdelsaoud Mohamed, captured in 1998, cut a plea deal and is now in witness protection. Documented news for the "public" to read about. All our government had to do was declare his cooperation as valuable to free him. What in the name of all that's sacred in this country are you complaining about when an American is imprisoned, yet a terrorist walks free? Get your priorities straight or take them someplace else. Have a terrorist for dinner. Make us proud.

Hey AW4 @11:17 a.m. wrote on Dec 15, 2007 11:25 AM:Speaking of Chuck Norris, did you know that he doesn't sleep ... he waits. And when Chuck Norris does push-up, he doesn't push himself up, he pushes the Earth down!

Chris to AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Dec 15, 2007 11:28 AM:What did the Iraqis do to deserve the punishment they got?

joesixpack31 wrote on Dec 15, 2007 11:59 AM:Chris says..."I am sick of the bigotry and hatred of my fellow Americans who think they are so educated and civilized. This war has taugh me that many if not most of Americans are the worst of the worst (just look at what we did during the sanctions) and yet they talk about the Islamic extremist. I am just so angry at the cluelessness and hatred in this country that I cannot see straight"...Evidently you can't think very straight either Chris. In light of your strong anti-American feelings, why not leave. And..by the way...don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

joesixpack31 wrote on Dec 15, 2007 12:23 PM:Staff writer Mark Walker writes: "the second time in five months that a panel of Pendleton Marines allowed a defendant convicted in a homicide case to walk away with nothing more than time served." Your ACLU bias is showing Walker. These young men serve our country and defend your right as a pencil pusher to slander them continuously whether they're on the ground in a combat zone or in the brig at Pendleton being persecuted on charges "trumped up" by NCIS, marine corps prosecutors and the freaking chain of command all the way up to the president. Either through sheer stupidity or as an ACLU mole, you do a grave disservice to our young military men ...

War veteran wrote on Dec 15, 2007 12:40 PM:I'm a veteran of the armed forces of every country that has existed, exists and will exist in the history of this and every other world. That makes me an expert on all military matters...in fact it makes me an expert on every possible subject. In the future war will be fought by robots. Civilian who are accidently killed are brought back to life using psychic healers. Politicians are required to run naked through the streets at election time. So relax, it will all work out. By the way, Hillary wins and GW joins the Dukester in prison.

Not a war wrote on Dec 15, 2007 12:52 PM:This occupation has been sold as a 'war' but it is an invasion followed by occupation. Just who are we at war with? We're just pissing off more muslims and recruiting radicals. Why are we still there? Oil of course. The biggest blunder since Nam. And no-one will be held accountable.

joesixpack31 wrote on Dec 15, 2007 1:01 PM:To AW4cryinoutloud...Thanks for taking on these mindless trolls who want to see our combat troops crucified for doing the job their country has asked them to do. I'm sure your words on their (the troops) behalf are a GREAT comfort to military families who read the garbage spewed out by the ilk of chris, justice, Lee and in more subtle terms even by staff writer Mark Walker. Our nation is in great danger. Its "backbone", our wonderful young people that serve in our military, is under constant attack by these alien, subversive cretans that sneak around seeking ways to undermine our national security. Sadly our impotent president (Bush) is too preoccupied pushing his globalist agenda, destroying Christian societies and aiding and abetting islamofascist expansion in eastern europe to attend to national security problems.

AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Dec 15, 2007 1:24 PM:To 'Hey AW4': I love that. I saw Huckabee and Norris last night. Yep! We could use Chuck over there; push some of that insurgent terrafirma down.

Chris wrote on Dec 15, 2007 1:26 PM:If joesixpack31 and the rest of the people who love our military adventurism would leave then those of us left could live in peace. In other words if these people who say they love this country so much would leave then this country would be far better off. Close the door behind you.

AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Dec 15, 2007 1:26 PM:To Chris: Say What??? Which Iraqi's? Oh! You must be talking about the one's killed by their own leader, Saddam. Of course not. Another stupid question answered.

AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Dec 15, 2007 2:27 PM:To Chris: Ooooooh Chris. Not only stupid questions, but stupid statements. You must have a gift. Give it back! If those of us like joesixpack31 who love our military should leave as you suggest, how far behind do you think the miltary will be? Do you think they will stay to protect your sorry rear? For what? For people who call them murderers and insult their integrity and courage every day of the week? For people who dress in pink and try to denegrate them when they come home severely injured? For insane people who stand and protest and insult, outside the funerals of, those they loved and fought alongside? If all of these people to whom you refer were to do as you say and leave; I hate to tell you Chris, Peace is the last thing you will have. But, Hey! Hang on to your guns because you're going to need them when the terrorists come to greet your peaceful bunch of do nothing, useless, cowards. In that case Chris; we would be more than glad to close the door behind us.

ED wrote on Dec 15, 2007 3:17 PM:wow there's a couple of macho bloggers getting a little excited here. Get off the internet and go play with you GI Joes, or better yet go to Iraq, you wannabees talk too much

Chris wrote on Dec 15, 2007 3:23 PM:Well, AW4cryinoutloud in case you havn't figured it out yet if joesixpack31 and like thinkers left we wouldn't need a military or certainly not the bloated monster we now have. But I guess you havn't figured that out yet.

Chris wrote on Dec 15, 2007 3:28 PM:To cryinoutloud. I guess that since we got rid of Hussein then it is our job to take his place. Did you go to "cool war". No. I didn't think so. Since we have rained so much death and destruction on Iraq I find it very disengenuous of you to even bring up Hussein.

uranium wrote on Dec 15, 2007 3:51 PM:cryinoutloud, your 9-11 baiting is pathetic.

AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Dec 15, 2007 4:13 PM:To Chris: Sure I considered that but the reality is that unless you, no matter how peaceful you are, accept the beliefs of Islamic Extremists they will kill you. Remember Daniel Pearl and Nick Berg? They hurt No one. They were peaceful men. Journalists from other countries have been slaughtered. They were peaceful men. So, you see, you "will" need someone to protect you so that you can go about your "peaceful" life. Sorry if that's too GI Joe for some bloggers. Remember what Bin Laden told the "peaceful" CNN reporter after their "peaceful" meeting a few years ago?..."If I see you again I will kill you." CNN aided Bin Laden and that was the thanks the guy got when he tried to shake Bin Laden's hand. And, before you try to refute my account; I saw it in CNN's own documentary about Bin Laden. Chris, our military is not the "bloated monster". The military serves the "bloated monster". You actually dislike the bloated monster. You're picking on the wrong people. Your disdain is misplaced.

AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Dec 15, 2007 4:22 PM:To uranium: You wouldn't mind explaining that would you?

ed wrote on Dec 15, 2007 4:34 PM:Everybody loves our military personnel. Most people have been in the military or know someone that is/has. Americans are now realizing how misused they've been by incompetent chickenhawks that have never worn a uniform. And if you call them on it you're called un-American. That tactic is wearing thin.

reality check wrote on Dec 15, 2007 6:40 PM:people, this is war, we do what we have to.do you think George Washington dealt with his troops killing indicriminatly.then we fought for a country to be free i.e. no taxes,freedom of religion here,to be be FREE. anyone that puts arms up against that i will fight!

AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Dec 15, 2007 6:41 PM:To Chris: There you go again. Where have you been? You say I haven't gone to "Cool War". Didn't you read my comments to you yesterday at 10:17PM? Read before you type.

all of you have agendas wrote on Dec 16, 2007 12:28 AM:I'm in Iraq right now, and I have been following the Holmes case from several news outlets. I can't find one comment in this hate-filled, rampaging thread that is able to take into account BOTH sides of y'all's arguments. Are you so blinded by hate for the other side, or your biases for or against the military, that you can't form a reasonable opinion? Reasonable, IMHO, would be comments that account for both the hell of fighting a war here with uncertain IA allies and also the duty to conduct yourself professionally (e.g., don't kill a guy half your size for smoking a cig on watch). Why can't anyone on this list acknowledge that they don't really know what happened? Your certainty about the right or wrong of the matter makes you sound like gun nuts and anti-gun nuts, yelling loud and saying nothing.

AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Dec 16, 2007 12:52 PM:To the post at 12:28AM: If you are in the military and are following the Holmes case, I'd think that the "reasonable" thing to do would be to give the benefit of the doubt to the accused who, by military and civilian LAW, is presumed innocent. There is nothing unreasonable about demanding that an accused be Proven guilty. That is also military and civilian LAW. If you've been following the case so closely then you'd be aware that "smoking a cig" in the dark while on guard duty is against military protocol. The Iraqi knew that. So is using a cell phone. As for the smaller man routine...like I said before; ask Chuck Norris what he thinks about that. Have you tried to defend yourself in a small, confined area in the dark without making any noise or drawing attention to SNIPERS? Sounds like the answer will be NO.

joe12pack wrote on Dec 17, 2007 1:22 AM:AW4cryinoutloud, you seem like the type who thinks she/he knows more than she really does, and who always hase to have the last word. try just taking what the other side says seriously, instead of just as a provocation. you're so ready to call names you don't sound thoughtful.

AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Dec 17, 2007 10:25 AM:To joe12pack: Seems like you may be sluggin' a few too many. I'm ready to call names??? Read the comments on the 14th @ 1:50pm, 3:01pm, 7:39pm, and on the 15th @ 8:21am. I do believe that you are merely picking me because you disagree with me. Where are the fair and balanced accusations? As for what I know or don't know; you'd be surprised. As for having the last word, please feel free to respond but don't blame me if I respond in turn. But, hey! We'll find a way for you to have the last word.

joesixpack31 wrote on Dec 18, 2007 8:29 AM:To the post at 12:28AM: Do you light up on watch? Do you fire up your cell phone while standing watch? What size must a transgressor be before its OK to kill him in order to prevent his betraying your position to the enemy? Have you ever even stood watch? Keeping in mind that guns built America...the ACLU did NOT build America...what is wrong with being a "gun nut" aside from the fact that it's unacceptible in polite society. These are a few questions to which I'd like to hear your response. BTW, if you actually are serving in Iraq, please accept my best wishes for a safe return home.