Roberto1 wrote on Nov 9, 2007 12:49 AM:Yes, many Border-control advocates are hate-mongers....the proof is in the blog. I don't know anyone who is not in favor of comprehensive border control I do know racisism and xenophobia when I see it. The minute men are the bulk of racist (in general)IMHO.

Ray wrote on Nov 9, 2007 12:56 AM:A MEN!

Ditto... wrote on Nov 9, 2007 12:59 AM:When in doubt...Call someone a racist!! Mr. Flores you use these hateful words to try to silence those who feel our laws should be respected. While not a member of the minutemen, I do respect their hardwork to bring the issue of illegal immigration to the forefront. Thank you to anyone who steps forward for our country. I,, along with many other citizens appreciate your efforts!!

Randy wrote on Nov 9, 2007 3:47 AM:No one supports allowing drugs and terrorists entering our country. It is not fair to lump drugs and terrorists with poor people seeking better lives.

Martha H. wrote on Nov 9, 2007 5:46 AM:I think propaganda is used by both sides of this issue. I tend to agree with Mr. Flores in this matter. While being for border security is not racist or hate mongering I do believe that from what I have witnessed the Minutemen have gone to the extreme. I bank at the Bank of America. One Saturday the Minutemen were protesting loudly I might add and when I got out of my car and walked to the bank they began to scream "go back to Mexico wetback. Also they began to scream question such as "are you cashing your welfare check, or are you depositing your drug money. I presume they said these things to me because I am Latina. You see what I mean they used their stereotypical mindset to put me in their box. So you see Mr. McCaskill it is possible for well intentioned groups to began to promote hatred, racism and prejudice. I experienced first hand. I know why you would not want to be associated with them they are not good company.

Root of Problem wrote on Nov 9, 2007 6:26 AM:The consistent complaint with Americans who oppose the illegal immigrants boils down to economics. Until the illegal immigrant community stops living the American Dream at the American taxpayer's expense, American animosity towards illegals will continue. And please, don't insult our intelligence by saying that legalizing the illegal community is a way to gain revenue through taxes. Mostly, these people perform entry level jobs that do not offer medical benefits and won't even begin to cover the cost of allowing them into the country. C'Mon America, we have the best and the brightest to solve these types of problems. Put your thinking caps on, figure out a way to make these people pay for their way without burdening the American citizen and taxpayer. Once that problem is solved, I believe that much of the grumbling from American taxpayers will cease.

Why can't they see? wrote on Nov 9, 2007 6:55 AM:It seems to be next to impossible for people like Mr. McCaskill to understand how they are being racist. He claims not to be and then says he is sure the Minutemen are not - although he is not a member or spokesman. But then to prove how non-racist he is, he brings up all the vile name-calling we see and hear lately. First it is the "third world" label. Then we get to the "diseased" part, and on we go to "criminals, rapists, terrorists". Do these people really not see that these words are meant to apply to anyone with a Mexican or South American heritage, citizen or not? The Minutemen and Mr. McCaskill are not talking of undocumented immigrants anymore. They are going negative against a whole group of people. I believe that is the definition of racism.

Pluto wrote on Nov 9, 2007 7:00 AM:When you say something bad about members of a certain race or ethnicity, you'd better be right. Racism is rightly suspected when myths, misinformation, and incorrect assumptions are made. This commentary, for example, says "Personally, I prefer to see the American flag being waved in our streets and sidewalks than the Mexican flag being waved by illegal Mexicans." But the author doesn't know that the people waving the flags are "illegal". Likewise, he repeats the lie that day laborers "disrupt the peace and tranquility of neighborhoods". No, they stand there quietly, day after day. It's the Minutemen protest-circus which disrupts peace and tranquility. Another big lie is that immigrants "are bringing into the country long-ago eradicated diseases such as tuberculosis (newer drug resistant variations not before seen); and some are criminals, rapists, terrorists". Being for border control doesn't make you a racist, Mr. McCaskill, but these lies make you highly suspect.

Dinah wrote on Nov 9, 2007 7:56 AM:I wonder why so many people are attempting to distance themselves from the Minutemen group. This is not the first opinion or letter I have read where the writer denies being or associated with the Minutemen. Could it be that finally people are getting it? Are they finally understanding that the Minutemen are the maladjusted misfits they have proven themselves to be time after time, after time, after time. Poor Mr. McCaskill says he is not a Minuteman but uses the same rhetoric. Me thinks Mr. McCaskill protests to much.

Melanie wrote on Nov 9, 2007 8:11 AM:"It seems to be the trend of most minority groups to label anyone, especially whites, who disagree with their agendas as racists and hate-mongers." I think that is a two way street. Mr. McCaskill resorts to name calling and insults because Mr. Flores does not agree with his agenda. Then he goes on to label the immigrants using the same racial slurs and degrading terms the Minutemen use. I am confused by his opinion and wonder what was his reason for submitting it. Did he want to disassociate himself with that hate group or is he looking to be recruited?

esteban wrote on Nov 9, 2007 8:15 AM:Flores is a racist. El Grupo and La Raza are all racists. Yes, some Minutemen do screw themselves because some use profane and offensive remarks. But let's not pretend Flores and his cronies are all righteous.

to Pluto wrote on Nov 9, 2007 8:24 AM:Nowhere does Dan say that everyone waving the Mexican flag was illegal, but it is a pretty safe assumption that some were. Where is the lie that some illegal aliens are criminals, rapists, terrorists? Go ahead and throw out the racist card again, however on another blog on NCT a pro-illegal immigrant blogger is calling white people "SPOILED BRATS" and "LAZY LAZY LAZY". So I guess that makes us even, except that the side I support is for enforcing the law and the other side if for ignoring it.

Monty wrote on Nov 9, 2007 8:58 AM:Re: "Border-control advocates not hate-mongers" - some are, some aren't.

Ken wrote on Nov 9, 2007 8:59 AM:This is about ILLEGAL and LEGAL immigration and has nothing to do about race. It is about using our treasury for the LEGAL citizens and not for ILLEGAL ALIENS getting a FREE ride at the expense of the LEGAL citizens. It is about over crowding our ER rooms at our hospitals and having our ER's for those that are here LEGALLY to have the medical care that they need. Anyone that thinks that it is about race, is themselves a racist. And Pluto, also has a very good point, and that is that the ILLEGAL ALIENS are bringing into this country eradicated diseases, Now America, let us take back our country from the ILLEGAL ALIENS and ILLEGAL DRUG DEALERS. STOP THE INVASION!!!

Alf wrote on Nov 9, 2007 9:01 AM:Why would anyone call the sdmm "racist"? Golly-gee, I don't know! Could it be that too many people have seen the sort of behavior that "Martha H." describes? I have witnessed the same thing that "Martha H." describes although it wasn't directed at me, I'm white. To judge someone solely on the color of their skin is the very definition of being racist. Again, when their behavior is in direct conflict with their words, believe the behavior every time. Regards, Alf.

Bowman wrote on Nov 9, 2007 9:02 AM:Since Mr. Flores is a Latino who supports Latin American illegal immigration, he is the racist. So say real (legal) immigrants. ...

To: to Pluto wrote on Nov 9, 2007 9:08 AM:End of the 4th paragraph my friend and I quote "Personally, I prefer to see the American flag being waved in our streets and sidewalks than the Mexican flag being waved by illegal Mexicans." The criminal element exists in all races and nationalities so really this accusation does not hold water. I am all for enforcing the law, and I think the U.S. Constitution trumps every other law so give them their rights under the 14th Amendment or shut up!

One should not lie Martha H. wrote on Nov 9, 2007 9:14 AM:Martha H. it is easy to make up untruths and write them in a blog. I don't believe these things were said to you!! Just like Mr. Flores tactic "If you say it enough people will believe it" That is what you are doing , it is obvious.

Pluto back wrote on Nov 9, 2007 9:16 AM:Of course there are some real criminals and rapists among 12 million people. The lie is that these people are a particular problem for our society. Crime and rape are terrible problems, but "illegals" have nothing to do with it. In fact, they are generally better behaved than other people because they are afraid of being caught and deported for even minor encounters with the law. As for terrorists, none have ever been apprehended hiking across the Mexican border. As for your "assumptions" about people "waving" Mexican flags, it speaks for itself.

GREAT article wrote on Nov 9, 2007 9:37 AM:and I couldn't agree with you more!

Are you people crazy? wrote on Nov 9, 2007 9:38 AM:ILLEGAL means law breakers! They are CRIMINALS. I don't care if they are from Mexico, Brazil, Canada or Japan or China or Vietnam. SEND THEM HOME!

Martha H. wrote on Nov 9, 2007 9:45 AM:Of course everything said about the horrible actions of the Minutemen is a lie, right. You can call me a liar if you need to but I know the truth and so do they. It got so bad that morning that I had to have the security guard at the bank escort me to my car. I do not lie but I guess since I am Latino.......according to your way of thinking I am on welfare, sell drugs, rape, steal and murder. See that is exactly why we are forced to play the race card because it is the hand we are being dealt. If you were not at the BOA that day than you probably shouldn't comment and if you were you should be ashamed of yourself.

no lie Martha H. wrote on Nov 9, 2007 9:47 AM:I recall personally when the Minutemen were demonstrating at the Catholic church up in Fallbrook. Yelling at a group of college students from Palomar University there to observe, the Minutemen got off a zinger - calling them "future janitors of America". Isn't that hilarious? or not?

It's the Money, Honey wrote on Nov 9, 2007 9:57 AM:It all boils down to the fact that no matter which race or ethnicity crosses the border illegally, you are in violation of our laws. And then you are rewarded with benefits that are intended and paid for by tax paying Citizens and legal aliens. Americans are tired of being denied health care while illegals receive it for free. Americans are saddened by the fact that our education is being given away for free to those who we have to teach English diverting tax payer funds from providing a good education to our own children. American taxpayers are baffled as to why simply having a baby while illegally residing in our country entitles the parents to payments until that baby is 18 while American families struggle to make ends meet. It comes down to the Money, who is paying it and who is receiving it, and who followed the law, procedures and paid the fees associated with entering the country legally. The arrogance of those who won't pay or follow the law to enter the country, but then demand the benefits is a slap in the face of every legal tax paying alien and citizen.

to it's the money, honey!! wrote on Nov 9, 2007 10:27 AM:You are so right that it is the money, honey. Our government knows that those illegal immigrants pay taxes, they pay into social security, something our Congressman do not even do. They sustain our economy so yes it is about the money, honey. As far as their rights go our government also knows that according to the U.S. Constitution they are entitled to life, liberty, property and equality. That my friend is the reason they are not rounded up and deported because we need them here legal or illegal they make this country great.

Hispanic American wrote on Nov 9, 2007 10:37 AM:Mr. Flores is just another open border advocate like Enrique Morones. The moment you start mentioning that it is ILLEGAL to enter this country or reside in it with out documents, they label you a racist. They always try to paint the illegal immigration problem with a rosy brush, but it is anything but. Our schools and hospitals are over burdened. It is not racist to use your common sense.

no money, no honey wrote on Nov 9, 2007 10:40 AM:Sadly, I think Money,Honey has nailed the reason Americans get so selfish once they finally get born here. After all, we do use 25% of the world's resources. That doesn't mean we have to care anything for the rest of our fellow planet-travelers. Professing Christianity and acting like a Christian are 2 totally different things. But also if we want our fresh veggies and fruits, someone has to do the work. Does this nation really want an underclass of janitors and farm workers? Or shouldn't we all be counted as citizens? Or at least not demonized as sub-human?

luv4usa wrote on Nov 9, 2007 11:03 AM:THANK YOU Mr. McCaskill for shedding LIGHT ON THE TRUTH! And THANK YOU SDMM AND ALL OTHER CITIZENS for standing up for America and her LAWS! We are a GREAT NATION because of our laws and FAIRNESS. Why else would anyone WANT to come here? The BLOW HARDS posting here who support ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION WANT WANT WANT, and yet they DISRESPECT our citizens, laws, flag, communities and even our beautiful open canyons!! If you want to come here, fine. But do it LEGALLY and BECOME AN AMERICAN.

To HIspanic American from a Mexican American wrote on Nov 9, 2007 11:14 AM:What exactly is a Hispanic American? I think we have been forced into an identity crisis. I think Mr. Flores is entitled to his opinion as are you. No one is painting illegal immigration with a rosy brush but it is also wrong to paint it with a broad brush also. If one comes here without documents then they are undocumented not illegal, right? One only becomes a racist when one begins to use a broad brush and you start to clump together all members of a nationality or race as bad and use derogatory terms to describe them. This is normal practice with the Minutemen and I think that is why so many writers are distancing themselves from this hate group. Wanting a stop to illegal immigration is not racist just as wanting compassionate immigration reform is not. Just because a person disagrees with you does not make that person a bad person or wrong. I think we are just going to have to agreee to disagree. Please try to be respectful of the rights of others and that should end all issues of racism.

ALLCAPS wrote on Nov 9, 2007 11:20 AM:WHAT is IT with these ALLCAPS yellings and POSTINGS! IT is really bad FORM in trying to have a REASONABLE discussion in a CHAT room or ANYWHERE else on the INTERNET! It kind of exposes how IGNORANT you might BE!

Anti-Aztlan wrote on Nov 9, 2007 11:24 AM:I have nothing against Mexicans, Latinos, Hispanics, etc. I am vigorously against the fable of California once being part of some mythical Aztlan. Socialists are using that fable to delude illegal immigrants into believing they have been wronged by the 'gringos' and 'gabachos'. Under the current political environment, a person illegally crosses the border, and instantly, that person is the victim of decades of racism and discrimination.

to all caps!!! wrote on Nov 9, 2007 11:27 AM:yOU aRE sO fUNNY. tHANKS fOR tHE lAUGHS.

Haters and mean people suk wrote on Nov 9, 2007 11:43 AM:I am anti-hate and mean people. Please go away all you haters, minutemen and others who think the way they do.

to luv4usa@11:03am wrote on Nov 9, 2007 12:04 PM:You think people come here because of "our laws and FAIRNESS"? That's precious! What are you, fifteen years old?

Aztlan wrote on Nov 9, 2007 1:22 PM:Actually Southern California was sparsely populated by native american cultures and tribes before the Spanish showed up. Sometimes when I am driving down I5 I like to imagine what it must have been like a scant 200-300 years ago. Probably fairly pleasant.

Margot wrote on Nov 9, 2007 1:34 PM:The title of this opinion piece should be Border-control advocates not(all are) hate-mongers but some are. Truthfully some are! I am against open borders and illegal immigration but I just made a donation to the fund for the illegal immigrant Maria Beltran who was burned to death in the fires. We can be against something but still keep it on a human level. They are still human beings we seem to forget that.

I should say we are not racist wrote on Nov 9, 2007 1:48 PM:and neither are the judges in North County Traffic court. I sat through mexicans needing translators, and watch as they all who were driving with out a California Drivers License, each received a $304.00 fine to be paid at $75.00 per month. And watch in shock as a judge ordered an american to pay over $500.00 within 30 days for stopping on a non-traveled road. I don't think you could call that judge a racist.

Flores = La Raza wrote on Nov 9, 2007 1:53 PM:What a shame to the SD Sheriffs to have such a radical la raza activist come out of their ranks. The reconquistas are everywhere, especially in our colleges.

Sherrie wrote on Nov 9, 2007 2:08 PM:You know not all the people who want border security are hate mongers! Not all Latinos are illegal immigrants! Not all people who want border security are white! Not all brown skinned people are illegal immigrants and if you think that then you are a racist and a hatemonger. So lets not get it twisted racists practice racism! If you are one of them don't get mad when the truth is told.

I am always amused wrote on Nov 9, 2007 2:12 PM:by the pro illegal, pro open border advocates, screaming for humanity and compassion for the illegal. They never, ever mention the American citizen who is repeatedly hurt by this mass invasion of illegal aliens. To heck with American kids getting a decent education, the illegal needs to go to school. Who cares about the struggling middle class, they need to support all the anchor babies and their parents, grand parents et al. The illegal doesn't pay taxes unless they are using a stolen SSN. They don't contribute to America as they send all their "wages" home. They whine about having to pay sales tax with their welfare check. Truly unbelievable. I say, for 5 years, minimum: No social services for illegals or their offspring who cannot prove they contribute. Just five years. See how many self deport when they get no better treatment in the US than they do in the beloved homelands they fled. Yeah, I know, >I< am a hateful person because I love my country, kids and grand kids and do not care to see them all destroyed by open border advocates. Finally, why don't all these altruistic, illegal loving people go to their (illegals) countries and advocate there? Because there's no money in it, stupid American.

To Martha H wrote on Nov 9, 2007 2:21 PM:You're not talking about the B of A in Vista are you? If so, I was there and you are a liar. Sorry if you were treated that way at another B of A, but seeing as you are commenting on NCT and the Minutemen were at the B of A in Vista, I presume that is the one.

anyone wrote on Nov 9, 2007 2:22 PM:hey you should learn history bunch of ingnorants, who`s land was this before The Racists American government took over mexico because they were predestinated by God to expand and reach the pacific ocean? Now who must go home? and who should saty at home?? who violated the Guadalupe hidalgo treaty? who ? who? God forgive you americans, i am from England just to recall. The U.S is the most violent and Racist Country ever in the worlds history along with The United Kingdoom, oh GOd americans are just decendents of England, just as Mexicans and latin americans born in the U.S decend from latin America...wahtch out with revolution.. Americans defeated the most powerful country in the world in 1777 maybe ----- see, same history pattern... america and the United kingdoom should be wipped off by democracy ja! if you americans believe you elect the president wake up...

Norma wrote on Nov 9, 2007 2:30 PM:Retired Special Agent Dan McCaskill Jr. logically articulated the point of view of many of us in his 9Nov07 Community Forum--"Border-control advocates not racists." For your service to this country, sir, and for sticking up for the rule of law in this country, thank you.

Ryan wrote on Nov 9, 2007 2:31 PM:Thank you Bill Flores for serving our community faithfully and fairly now and when you were with the Sheriff's Department. Now I understand why the Sheriff's department is in such trouble. When level headed men with integrity leave a prominent position their presense is missed. Thank you again Bill for all you do.

Paul Buyan was a wrote on Nov 9, 2007 3:03 PM:legend with his big blue ox....Nahuatl legends relate that seven tribes lived in Chicomoztoc, or "the place of the seven caves." Each cave represented a different Nahua group: the Xochimilca, Tlahuica, Acolhua, Tlaxcalan, Tepaneca, Chalca, and Mexica. Because of a common linguistic origin, those groups also are called "Nahuatlaca" (Nahua people). These tribes subsequently left the caves and settled in Aztlán. Come to think of it, this must mean that the bibical tower of babel is factual, by the Aztlan mind set.

Dave wrote on Nov 9, 2007 3:03 PM:Very few people accept the "fact" that 2+2 does indeed = 4. Our country is beyond full. We don't need any more feces, trash, traffic, loss of open spaces which brings on loss of animals, closing of hospitals, etc. We need to "halt" all immigration from all countries .. all these people don't have the intestinal fortitude = guts, to sacrifice as our forefathers have and fix their own countries. It's much easier to come here and take take take take gimmee gimmee gimmee!!

Please peolpe wrote on Nov 9, 2007 3:06 PM:you hopefully have a dictionary use it, there are other big words that discribe one with racial hatred tendencies, can SOMEONE PLEASE find another word for the racist to use against Americans.

Greed Yuck!! wrote on Nov 9, 2007 3:51 PM:Just like the immigrants of the past gimmee, gimmee, gimmee. Oh yeah and it sounds like most Americans too.

El Guero wrote on Nov 9, 2007 3:51 PM:Roberto1 says, 'I don't know anyone who is not in favor of comprehensive border control.' The truth is that the open-borders types like Pluto, Roberto1, and Bill Flores are always saying they believe in secure borders. The trouble is they don't really mean it. Not when it comes to denying illegal entry to an overwhelmingly Mexican population. If the problem were generations of Frenchmen coming here illegally without a pot to piss in, Roberto1 and co. might be as outraged as the rest of us. But then they'd also be racists.

If anyone wrote on Nov 9, 2007 3:58 PM:can decipher the message from "anyone"...please post it. Thank you.

Considering the public wrote on Nov 9, 2007 4:25 PM:schools now only have a "non hispanic white" box to check for race or ethnicity on their registration forms, I guess they realize that "white" and hispanic are the same race:caucasian. Therefore, the race card is bogus when applied to those opposing the illegal alien invasion. The vast, vast majority of illegals are hispanic. The groups standing on the street corners are hispanic. The groups flooding the ER's, community clinics, welfare offices and schools are hispanic. The groups flooding the streets in 2006 were flying the flags of hispanic countries, the vast majority, that of Mexico. I guess speaking the truth about the situation makes me a hate filled racist, eh? Maybe IF these groups were Asian or black, but not hispanic.

To Martha H wrote on Nov 9, 2007 4:53 PM:I notice you didn't share whether or not you are an American citizen or otherwise here legally, but you did refer to being a latina. I'm of Mexican heritage, but I'm an American first. The fact is some of the worst attitidue I get is from Hispanics in this country that seem to resent that I don't speak their language. When I travel to countries where Spanish is spoken I try to use the little I know and learn as I go, and I am treated well.

dom wrote on Nov 9, 2007 5:54 PM:"Racist" is at the top of the list for most liberals,open border advocates,hispanic radicals,and reconquista members.They use the word over,and over again,like hyenas calling out..."fresh carcass"...come and get it! The mention of the word brings all the animals out of hiding,along with their trumpeters,the "media".Someone screams "racist",and the circus has begun.The word does nothing for me,or my conservative associates on this side of the fence.To most American citizens,and patriots,educated to the ways of the circus animals,it only brings a chuckle,and a slight rolling of the eyes.....the same you would do when the unwelcome mother-in-law knocks at your door.The "racist" mongers tend to have their heads in the sand, as far as knowledge of the hard facts,and solid statistics,as is quite obvious in the entry by "pluto" above.Pluto is a perfect example of most of them....screaming bloody racism,desperately waving the flag of a dying country,that sinks like an overloaded bamboo raft,and ideas that are as far away as a distant planet,on the outer edge of our solar system.

Roberto1 wrote on Nov 9, 2007 7:04 PM:El Guero has my number, I'm also in favour of uncontrolled growth along with forcing everyone to taste Mexican food so they welcome the take-out -take-over. El Guero, don't be so paranoid just because everyones out to get you!

Clemens wrote on Nov 9, 2007 7:23 PM:Some of the comments in this blog accuses Mr. Flores of supporting an open border or being part of a "reconquista." Interesting, Mr.Flores' editorial and the ADL report describe the use of these terms as an attempt to instill fear and misinformation by the sdmm and other anti-immigrant extremist. Nice try fellas...It is not working...you have been exposed.

Anyone Deciphered wrote on Nov 9, 2007 7:23 PM:You need to understand the MECHA message. The first sentence is about the injustice of America's MANIFEST DESTINY history of expanding the country to the Pacific Ocean while allowing slavery. The next two sentences mean Americans must leave California. The Treay of Guadalupe Hidalgo rant stems from the claim that California (American) courts failed to recognize land claims of Mexicans residing in California at the end of the Mexican-American War (the land your house sits really belongs to Mexicans based on undocument claims). The final rant appears to be a combination of the Catholic-Protestant conflict, mixed with the concept that anchor babies from Latin American will elect the next president (think Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, Evo & Lula).

Tom wrote on Nov 9, 2007 7:46 PM:A very well written article. But as I see above in the blogs, the same old wishy washy pro-illegal law breakers attack this well written article.

To Randy and Roberto1 wrote on Nov 9, 2007 7:50 PM:Why don't you two take care of these fine upstanding illegals? You can house them, find them a job, oh, and make sure they have medical care and a good education for their children. Frankly, we law abidding American citizens have had enough!

anotherview wrote on Nov 9, 2007 9:18 PM:The real solution to illegal immigration and illegal aliens lies in four simple statements: (1) illegal aliens have no right to live and work in America; (2) good citizens obey the law, and expect others to do the same; (3) on August 10th, the White House issued a Fact Sheet for enforcement of existing federal immigration law but without amnesty for illegal aliens; and (4) by enforcement of the law, America can free itself of illegal aliens. Meanwhile, Mr. Flores misleads by mischaracterizing the subject at hand, by referring to it variously as “immigration,” “anti-immigration groups,” and “immigration debate.” In fact, the subject involves illegal immigration and illegal aliens. Most citizens do not oppose immigration as a policy. Further, no rational individual who reviews the matter of criminality arising from the illegal aliens in America can approve of this negative burden on society. For example, ICE reports 632,000 fugitive illegal aliens nationwide. GAO numbers indicate the federal government in 2007 will spend about $1.5 billion on nearly 27,000 criminal aliens in federal prison. The State of California annually spends upward of $565 million on more than 11,000 criminal aliens in state prison. Criminal aliens infest criminal street gangs, a social evil debasing neighborhoods and threatening public safety. Illegal aliens routinely commit identity theft, steal or falsify Social Security numbers, buy counterfeit documents to create a bogus right to work, drive without a driver license or automobile insurance, fail to file income tax returns, and so on. Moreover, the presence of an illegal alien workforce willing to work for collie wages induces farmers and other employers to ignore or skirt the employment laws in the name of profit, setting a wrong and unethical tone in the business world. The list goes on. Simple solutions do exist. For one, the states may mandate statewide that police cooperate with federal authorities to identify and detain illegal aliens for their due deportation. For another, the states may mandate that all employers verify the right to work of all employees and job applicants. Both Arizona and Kentucky have done so. With no job, the illegal aliens will self-deport (at their own expense) -- no national roundup needed. By enforcement of the law, America can free itself of illegal aliens, and will prosper all the more.

'anyone' for president wrote on Nov 10, 2007 3:27 AM:The open borders/Atzlan advocates will achieve Nirvana when 'anyone' is elected president. We only need to look south to see the vast improvements that we have to look forward to. Viva la Raza! As if the passe US establishment needs lessons on how to give to the rich by taking from the poor. We have much to learn by excelerating the process. Third World places like Mexico just have it on the fast track. My only question is 'where will the untouchables of society be sent when the US is conquered and the dumpsite needs to be located somewhere else?

To the one who wrote To Martha H wrote on Nov 9, 2007 4:53 PM: wrote on Nov 10, 2007 6:46 AM:Why should it matter if this woman is an American citizen or here legally!! Would you question a white woman about her immigration status? No, yeah I thought so. Your entire comment is ignorant. ... I am of Mexican descent! I speak spanish and english fluently! I am proud of my culture, and traditions. I feel sorry for you that you want to forget who you are! I know that Michael Jackson was able to get his skin lightened up perhaps that may help you in your quest to assimilate. Let me tell you that it does not matter how much you try racial profiling will continue to happen. Just because someone is brown does not mean they are illegal. Knowledge is power my friend, why don't you get some.

Sharla wrote on Nov 10, 2007 7:52 AM:Yes, most Americans agree that the borders need to be controlled. That is simply a fact. Mexico sure controls its Soutern Border. The real racists are the El Grupo/Aztlan/La Raza groups which seek everything for their race and nothing for all others.

Deborah wrote on Nov 10, 2007 9:33 AM:We have gotten the attention of our leaders and must not stop the pressure to secure our borders and deport all illegal aliens out of America. So many Americans who once were more conservative on the issue of illegal immigration have grown fed up with seeing their country overrun and seeing their hard earned money go to those who have no right to it. We have watched as justice for the American citizen has been turned upside down. Now is the time to take your country back! Keep fighting for a better and safer tomorrow for our children!

Bobby wrote on Nov 10, 2007 12:34 PM:This stuff about hate, inclusion, prejudice, racism, nazis, KKK, etc. has got to stop affecting people who are for saving this nation from massive illegal immigration. The elitists,(you know those fine people who have brought the country to its knees, financially and otherwise)are licking their chops at the prospects (for them) of massive wage depression to further their unmitigated greed. The greed of these people can not be sated. You see, the Democrats who support giving drivers licenses to illegal aliens and throwing the borders of this nation open, are helping these elites, indeed some of the democrats ARE these elites. They have plenty of money, go to fancy restaurants, have private jets, etc. Oh, yes, the Democratic leadership is doing fine. As Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Hillary Clinton, Teddy Kennedy, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara Boxer,and all the rest pretend to hate what El Presidente, George Bush is doing, they facilitate his open borders policy. I don't for a minute believe that millions of rank and file Democrats agree with what their party is doing on immigration. These are not crazy citizens.

Jerry wrote on Nov 10, 2007 12:37 PM:Hey Bill Flores, have you given any thought to going to Mexico and rid that country of their corrupt government? No?...Why not? All you racists, bigots want handouts from this country; free medical care,free education, food stamps, etc., etc. Enough is enough. If you can't stand the rule of law, GET OUT.

CaliGal wrote on Nov 10, 2007 7:15 PM:Here in California, we are overrun with illegal aliens, and we have already lost much of life as we knew it. Hospitals are closing, the educational system is in the toilet, the welfare system no longer exists for Americans who need assistance and population growth has encroached on our farmlands and wetlands. Food, water, gas and electric energy is at an all time low, our resources are stretched to the limits. This illegal alien crisis is not about race, this is about overpopulation and survival. It is about national security. It is about our sovereignty and it is about the rule of law. A nation, like a house, is a sovereign place, and laws are instituted to protect that sovereignty. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in serious need of a reality check. The first thing that makes anyone a good American is their ability to follow the law. The United States is a society based on laws, and people should not have the right to pick and choose the laws they are willing to obey. The illegal aliens have no respect for the laws of this nation, if they did they would have come here through the legal process. The American people are under no legal or moral obligation to be taxed into poverty to support illegal alien criminals and that's exactly what illegals who smuggle themselves across the border are: criminals. They broke the law to enter our country. They are not citizens and are not entitled to the rights of American citizens. They need to return to their own countries and march for their rights there.

Roberto1 wrote on Nov 11, 2007 3:19 AM:Boo-hoo...poor me I can't get paid enough money and it's all the illegal Mexicans fault...boo-hoo...sniff-sniff", Try night school!

Thanks NCT wrote on Nov 11, 2007 1:44 PM:Once again you are editing comments based on your biased opinions. My blogs here pointing out the inaccuracies of pro-illegal alien liberals doesn't really matter anyhow. I will just keep letting my elected officials know how I feel.

another steve wrote on Nov 11, 2007 3:36 PM:REAL immigrants don't require amnesty, and they don't require a bunch of wussy liberals batting the race card back and forth on their behalf. You can spin the PC terminology all you want, but the people you see standing around in front of home centers "making better lives for themselves" are not real immigrants.

Alf wrote on Nov 11, 2007 4:45 PM:If it walks like an arrogant hate-filled person who lumps all Hispanics as illegal and it talks like an arrogant hate-filled person who lumps all Hispanics as illegal, it must be a sdmm or other irrational person. Regards, Alf.

Roberto1 wrote on Nov 11, 2007 8:51 PM:Good post alf...if it talks like a phobie....its a phobie! viva logical, compatible and comprehensive immigration reform...

Getreal wrote on Nov 12, 2007 3:11 AM:Stop the nonsense. The fact is some illegal immigrants are good people. The other fact is many are very bad people who pose a serious threat to our citizens. Bad boys bad boys, what ya gonna do....

Patriot wrote on Nov 12, 2007 8:32 AM:Why do we have immigration laws in the first place? Because of xenophobia, hate-mongering, arrogance, racism, bigotry, ignorance, or some irrational paranoia? If that is the case then we should eliminate every border fence and do away with the Border Patrol and ICE. Come one, come all! Or could it be that laws exist to protect our own interests as a sovereign nation? Golly, which country out there does not have immigration laws and a process for would-be immigrants to follow? Pardon me, but I was here in 1986 when the last comprehensive immigration legislation was sold as a cure-all to an out-of-control illegal immigration problem. It granted amnesty to several million people in the country illegally in exchange for a promise by the federal government to enforce its immigration laws. We all know what happened in the following 20 years: the number of people here in violation of immigration laws quadrupled and enforcement was never beefed up. Please then, if you propose "comprehensive" reform, show me evidence of enforcement first. I cannot get on board with an amnesty of 20 million now if in 20 years we can expect to be dealing with what to do with 80 million new people living in the shadows. If you are OK with that sort of future, please explain how that scenario will benefit this country (without resorting to name-calling).

John R. wrote on Nov 12, 2007 9:38 AM:I agree with the original letter. Americans who favor enforcing immigration laws, controlling our borders are not evil "RACISTS". This ad hominem attack: "You're a RACIST" This gets tossed out so often that it has lost all it's meaning and power. Organizations like the National Council of LaRaza (Spanish for "THE RACE") try to silence regular Americans with this charge "You're a RACIST" and it just doesn't work. LaRAZA means THE RACE - this is an organization who's very name states that they are RACIST for their RACE/LaRaza. My definition of the meaning of the term "You're a RACIST" in 2007 means an American who is not an idiot and who wants to protect his country and secure a decent future for his children. So folks, when the liars, idiots yell "You're a RACIST", don't get too upset. They are just accusing you of being "not an idiot" and a decent patriotic American.

Alf wrote on Nov 12, 2007 10:47 AM:"John R.", a patriotic American does not assume that all or most "brown-skinned" people are illegals in the way that the sdmm are well known to do. To label the sdmm or any other vigilante group who oozes hate from virtually every pore as "patriotic" is the penultimate insult to the term. The ultimate insult to the word "patriot" is to call a traitor a "patriot". Regards, Alf.

to El Grupo wrote on Nov 12, 2007 12:01 PM:I now see bumper sticker around to that say "No one is illegal". Is that your moto now?

Doc wrote on Nov 12, 2007 10:40 PM:Mr. Flores, as the spokesman for ElGrupo was upset that Escondido PD has drivers' license checkpoints, although they have had them for years. He states they are racist and biased against the illegal population. Hmm, lets see...the idea of having drivers' license checkpoints is to find people without valid drivers' licenses, so if you don't have one, it doesn't matter if you're legal, illegal or whatever. Plus, they stop EVERY vehicle, no matter who the driver is and check the license. Get real, Flores. People like you are the ones who put the schism between the people in this country; you inflame and then stand back and watch the fires burn. ..., one who incites the fires of hatred that destroy the mind and soul, all the while portending to be a spokesman for positive goodwill.

esteban wrote on Nov 13, 2007 9:23 AM:Be careful Doc,...the NCT does not like it when you write negative comments about their heroes like Flores and Jillings!!!!

Craig wrote on Nov 13, 2007 9:31 AM:Isn't calling the SDMM group, or even anti-illegal protestors all racists or vigilantes the same thing as calling all Mexicans illegals?

Tired of being sick and tired wrote on Nov 13, 2007 12:37 PM:Both sides of spectrum are this. They both spew bile back and forth, and the have nothing but contempt for each other. The laws are the laws. There are no grey areas. We need to respect everyone.... But there are still laws to abide by. So we can blame SDMM for being racist because that's easy, or we can blame the illegal advoctes because we are wronging poor defenseless (illegal) imigrants. But there is still the problem of the flow of illegals bussiling in under the cover of night. Let's just keep pointing are finger at each other like little kids and do nothing. Can't we all just get along??

Bobby wrote on Nov 13, 2007 2:43 PM:Boo-hoo, is what exploitive owners of some of these...little paint, lawncare,etc. businesses are saying because of the crackdown on illegal aliens throughout the nation. Boo-hoo, I can't get rich underpaying people any longer and shift their social costs on overburdened U.S. citizens and legal taxpayers. Boo-hoo indeed. You people who are for illegal immigration, of any kind, are such fools and are allowing the evil elitists that have half sold out this nation already,(factories, corporations, minerals,etc)sell out the rest of it through wage depression and job insourcing and outsourcing. You Idiots... have no regard for your fellow citizens whatever. Pathetic little, socialists, and ethnic racists, and pie in the sky dreamers looking for Utopia. Utopia literaly means, "NO PLACE". How dare you continually insult the citizens and legal residents of this nation. Why don't you do Americans a favor and LEAVE.Go cause chaos and trouble somewhere else on the planet.

Alf wrote on Nov 13, 2007 3:17 PM:Well, "Bobby", you do not want to acknowledge that people employ legal aliens. ... I employ legal workers that I initially picked up at a corner and you know what? They drive across the border LEGALLY, they work for me LEGALLY and you can't stand that there are LEGAL aliens that can cross the border, papers in hand, and sometimes work for me and sometimes stand at a pick-up point, LEGALLY. It is anathema to you that there are actually LEGALs at those day-labor places, because if there are "legals" there, your whole system of hate crumbles down around you and smothers you in your own bile. Regards, Alf.

Randy took wrote on Nov 13, 2007 3:40 PM:Have you not noticed all these high-end SUV's and trucks driven by these poor people? Take a look Randy

Alf wrote on Nov 13, 2007 3:49 PM:Alf, you missed the point. It' illegal we are talking about. Wake up

Alf wrote on Nov 13, 2007 3:53 PM:Alf - do you have one of these bumper stickers that read " No one is illegal"

Alf wrote on Nov 13, 2007 7:35 PM:I have no such bumper-stickers, "Alf" of 3:49PM and 3:53PM posts, whoever the flock you are. It is obvious that the posts of 3:40PM, 3:49PM and 3:53PM are fakes. My apologies to "Randy" for someone being so low as to use our "handles". On the other hand, the crass, low-lifes who call themselves sdmm supporters know no such thing as shame. Regards, Alf.

Roberto1 wrote on Nov 13, 2007 8:29 PM:sdmm is just another moniker for anti-mexican racist in general. (not all of them are racist, just many of them) Not one word about comprehensive, logical and common sense reform. Just a bunch of hate filled venon under the guise of anti-illegal immigration IMHO.

Bobby wrote on Nov 13, 2007 9:36 PM:Final note to Alf. Alf, your use of Pavlovian trigger words like racist, bile, and hate doesn't move many Americans any longer. You see, when people like you used to ring that bell, Americans used to react, just like Pavlovs dogs. But just like Pavlovs dogs found out when the bell rang, there was nothing there. Americans have found out that there's nothing there in you accusations. Get it?

To Alf wrote on Nov 14, 2007 8:43 AM:We can all better understand your motivations for defending the rights of illegal aliens after reading your 3:17 PM post. We see that you use a street corner to recruit employees. If we crack down on illegal immigration, the labor pool contracts. The legal workers who remain on the street corner can demand a higher hourly rate. Maybe they won't even have to hang around on corners to get work. Employers might have to offer to pay a living wage to attract a worker. Bad for profits.

Alf wrote on Nov 15, 2007 3:31 PM:Well, "To Alf" on the 14th at 8:43AM, I have never hired an illegal, not ever. I defend the rights of legal aliens, it is the hate and ugliness that I've seen from the sdmm that is indefensible. I did hire a legal "white guy" once, his work was as good as anyone. He was one of only 2 "white guys" that had the stones and the desire to go wait for someone to hire him. Why do we not see more "white guys" who are ready, willing and able to work at these places, I wonder? Profits? I hire day labor to help me landscape my acre, but you wouldn't know that because all you do is assume. Regards, Alf.

amigo wrote on Nov 22, 2007 7:15 AM:From what I can discern the Minute Men are not only playing up hatred but they are doing it for a profit. Where are the millions of dollars they collected to put up a cow fence along the boarder? Where they did string up a few wires it was parallel to a real fence put up by the government and none of it is contiguous. Do the words "rip off" "bunko scheme" mean anything to you? Do the words "go around it" suggest a problem with their fence to nowhere?

M wrote on Dec 1, 2007 5:50 PM:To Roberto1 sounds like you come from an illegal family, you should try not to take all this too personally. Maybe reconsider your indoctrination and the propaganda you were raised with. If you've lived here for any length of time you should be able to see our declining way of life. Think about your children. Do you really want them to grow up in another Mexico?

Dave wrote on Dec 14, 2007 6:23 AM:As Founder of the Escondido Minutemen Brigade-I'm proud to be called a Minuteman! When Bush was pushing his Amnesty-we were the ones' getting the word out to stop it! When we go to Mission and Quince to hold a peacefull protest against the hiring of illegals, we're not the ones' yelling profanitys! We also have not attacked anyone with knifes and bricks!