Will vote winner still take our all?
By: JIM TRAGESER - Staff Writer | ∞
When losing Florida's 21 electoral votes cost Al Gore the 2000 presidential election -- defeated by a margin of only a few hundred ballots out of almost 6 million cast -- Democratic Party leaders railed against the injustice of having a candidate win the national popular vote but still lose the election due to the winner-takes-all rules that most states use to award their electoral votes.
But now that there is a proposed ballot measure to dispense with the winner-take-all method of awarding California's electoral votes and award them by congressional district, Democrats are again crying foul -- saying such a system would be unfair to the state's voters.
So which is it?
Well, it's both, of course. Democratic Party leaders are no more immune to the passions of the political process than anyone else. Human nature being what it is, the Democrats want to win the next election every bit as much as their Republican counterparts.
The above hypocrisy on the part of the Democrats is no more than normal human foible -- but it does show why political reform is so very difficult.
Would the proposal to award California's delegates to the Electoral College by each congressional district better represent the will of the voters? Of course.
Would it help the eventual Republican nominee for the White House? Well, yeah, given that only two other states currently eschew the prevailing winner-take-all model. It's also nearly unimaginable that the Democratic nominee won't carry California in 2008, with voting registration patterns that give the state's Democrats a wide majority.
About 20 congressional districts in California have a Republican majority, including several in San Diego County. As an Associated Press story pointed out, allowing the Republican nominee to carry them would be akin to winning a populous state like Ohio.
So the Democratic Party leaders find themselves in the undoubtedly uncomfortable position of having to argue against a reform that would bring our system closer to a popular vote for the president -- despite having supported just such reforms only six years ago.
The Electoral College -- in which we technically vote not for a presidential candidate, but for delegates pledged to vote for a particular candidate -- is written into the Constitution, and reinforced by the 12th Amendment.
So short of another constitutional amendment, we're not going to a direct popular election of the president.
Would California breaking up its winner-take-all approach hurt one party over the other? In the short term, most likely.
Would it spur other states to follow our lead, and eventually lead to a situation in which a repeat of the 2000 election is nearly impossible? Very possibly.
The bigger question is whether voters would support the proposed ballot measure, assuming it qualifies. It's one thing to say you want something closer to a popular vote for choosing the president. It's quite another to actually take the lead in putting such a system into place.
-- Contact columnist Jim Trageser at (760) 631-6628 or jtrageser@nctimes.com.
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Full Support wrote on Aug 2, 2007 6:50 AM:Since we can't seem to get away from the electoral college, this seems like a good compromise to get us closer to the public actually having a fair say in who leads our nation. It's got my vote!
Lars wrote on Aug 2, 2007 8:05 AM:Congressional allocation of electoral votes is nothing more than a power play by a given state's minority party. The Republicans are trying to do it by initiative in California and the Democrats in North Carolina (a red presidential state) are trying to do it through legislation. The real, non-partisan solution is a direct national popular vote for President. That system would eliminate battleground and safe states as we know them and would therefore make every vote equal. Currently a candidate would much rather have a vote in Ohio or Wisconsin, i.e. a battleground state, than in a safe state like Rhode Island, Montana, or California. A national popular vote would force candidates to compete for every vote and make winning or losing an individual state irrelevant. A constitutional is actually NOT needed to accomplish this goal. I read about a group called National Popular Vote in the Denver Post that is trying to accomplish this goal on a state-by-state basis. Maryland has already adopted such a plan and there is a bill on the Assembly Floor here in California to do the same thing.
Rob wrote on Aug 2, 2007 10:51 AM:Jim, The congressional district system for allocating electoral vote is lousy no matter which party is promoting it. Even more congressional districts are as inherently non-competitive as most states are. And there's a stark national bias for Republicans that's tied to the simple fact that their vote is more widely dispersed geographically. So if done nationally in 2000, George Bush would have won the electoral college by nearly 50 electoral votes while losing the national popular vote. That's hardly representative of people's votes and shows why dog won't hunt. Meanwhile, there's a perfectly sensible solution to all this without a constitutional amendment -- the National Popular vote plan. See [Web site]
Jim Trageser wrote on Aug 2, 2007 11:20 AM:The National Popular Vote plan notwithstanding, the Electoral College cannot be changed but by constitutional amendment. To wit, the 12th Amendment of the Constitution (which updated the original Article II, Section I of the Constitution) reads: "The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; -- the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; -- The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States." AND THE 20TH AMENDMENT, SECTION 3, ADDS: "If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified." Folks claiming we can change the Electoral system with Amendment are on about as solid legal ground as the folks claiming we don't really have to pay an income tax.
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