Letters to the Editor - 7/5/2007

By: Readers of the North County Times and Californian - | Wednesday, July 4, 2007 8:23 PM PDT

Sprinter is the quietest train ever

Last Saturday, I was riding by bike down Mission Avenue in Escondido as one of the new Sprinter trains happened to pass me heading west. It wasn't more than 50 feet from me and, although I had four lanes of traffic on my left, I wasn't in a car, and I'd say that this was the quietest train I'd ever heard!

Of course, the horns might be louder, but I think they're great.

Earl Brown

Escondido

Parking ticket a money-making venture

I just received a call from my neighbor informing me she had gotten a parking ticket on her car and advising me to go and check cars. My husband and I have three vehicles total. One is parked in the driveway, and two are on the street in front of our house. They are all registered and insured. I went outside and found a ticket on one of the cars parked on the street. ...

I live near Grand and Rose. We own our home and are parked in front of our own house. There is nothing illegal about the way we have parked. To add insult to injury, the ticket goes on to claim that "should the vehicle not be removed, it will be impounded and stored at a public garage at the owner's expense." Note: Merely moving or relocating the vehicle does not satisfy the requirement that the vehicle be removed. The purpose of the law is to allow removal of abandoned vehicles and to prevent the storage of vehicles on the roadway. ...

I want to alert others about this, as I do not intend to take this sitting down. Is this some way for the city of Escondido to generate revenue? ... Did they run out of homeless people to harass? If I cannot park my car in front of my own house, where can I park? It is my house and we do not have a large-enough driveway. Any suggestions?

Michele Erwin

Escondido

The week that was(n't)

In response to Thomas Cowan's letter (Letters, June 16) accusing me of mischaracterizing and not posting the entire "war is lost" quote from Harry Reid, I'll repeat the entire quote for him: "Now, I believe, myself, that the secretary of state, the secretary of defense ññ and you have to make your own decision as to what the president knows ññ that this war is lost and that the surge is not accomplishing anything, as indicated by the extreme violence in Iraq yesterday." Did you notice the period at that end of the sentence, Mr. Cowan?

But for readers who are sick of this relentless misinformation propaganda campaign for Harry Reid, you don't need to take my word for it. You can simply type in "Harry Reid surrender" in YouTube to see the actual video. Who will they believe? Mr.Cowan or their lying eyes?

As Harry Reid continues to put his foot in his mouth week after week and his approval rating (19 percent) plummets below that of Mr. Nifong and the TB plane passenger, Mr. Cowan should realize that his relentless damage and spin control for Mr. Reid will require that he abandon whatever little credibility he may have left.

Frank Wilkes

Escondido

Liberals want even higher gas prices

Do you remember what happened last November when the liberals won control of Congress and immediately promised to hose the oil companies? Our gas prices shot up $1 a gallon. Well, now they are flapping their gums with more threats against the oil companies.

Does it ever end with these liberals? No matter how much money Pelosi, Boxer and Feinstein want to steal from the oil companies, oil profits will remain the same, meaning we can look forward to another round of $1-a-gallon increase in gas prices. I thought they were elected to serve the people, not to destroy jobs and rip purchasing power from us.

Charles Bondy

Encinitas

Putting things in Iraq into focus

Apparently, the majority of our population have no idea of the scale of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. According to the 2007 edition of the CIA world fact book, Iraq has an area of 437,072 sq km (roughly twice the size of Idaho) and a population of 27 million (July 2007 estimate). Afghanistan has an area of 647,500 sq km, and a population of 31 million (July 2007 estimate).

By contrast the U.S.A. has an area of 9,629,091 sq km and a population of over 200 million. We have established over 100 military bases in Iraq and built the largest embassy in the world ññ capable of housing over 1,000 personnel on over 100 acres. Appears as if we intend to stay there for a while.

Considering that we, with our allies, defeated the entire German/Italian/Japanese Axis on a worldwide battlefield in less time than we have been fighting in Iraq, it is obvious that we are doing something wrong. But, then, we were fighting to liberate countries that wanted to be liberated from the Axis forces, not from us.

Incidentally, we seem to have more generals in Iraq than we had in WWII in the European and Pacific theaters combined.

William Eade

San Marcos

Voluntary water conservation

Because of the ongoing drought, we have been asked to voluntarily conserve water. This is always a wise thing to do since we do live in an area that most of our water is imported.

However, if mandatory residential water conservation comes about, a fair method would be to base household consumption conservation upon the actual number of residents, not upon a percentage of past usage. That punishes residents who have actually practiced conservation for whatever reason.

Roger Covalt

Poway

Why is iPhone front-page news?

North County Times, front page in big letters, "Eager customers snap up iPhones," June 30. Page 10, "China's legislature approves new labor law," June 30. Approval would help stop the use of children and adults as slaves (ya, right).

Maybe I'm old-school American, but this blind eye that is going on in this country when it comes to our representatives in Washington selling out the jobs of hardworking Americans to slave labor in China should be on the front page and not hidden within the ads. I have personally witnessed factories in Los Angeles change from garment manufacturing (sweatshops) to warehouses stored with the same clothing that used to be cut and sewn by cheap labor here, coming in from China, cut, sewed, packaged and with price tags ready for shipment to stores such as Wal-Mart. Even the illegal alien workers coming up from Mexico are losing their jobs to this sellout.

NCT, or any newspaper, should not hide the facts of trading with China (which is still a communist country and has slave labor), but should get the word out on the front page that there is something wrong in Washington when the American people are not the priority of our elected officials anymore and ask why.

Mike De Leo

Oceanside

A moving and honest memorial

Kent Davy's tribute in today's North County Times ("With death near, Joel says 'celebrate,'" June 30) is one of the most moving and honest memorials to the sad passing of a beautiful life that I have ever read. The poignancy of the parting is made all the more touching by the inclusion of the picture of Joel Davy, young, flirtatious, vibrant, full of life and clearly beaming all her love toward her beloved.

I'm sure that the lives of these two people have been uplifted by the love and the union that they have shared through these years. Our thanks to Kent Davy for sharing his pain, and thanks to the North County Times for publishing it.

Jack Cumming

Carlsbad

First step in taking back our country

Congratulations, America. The defeat of a bill that voters disagreed with is a first step to taking back our country!

Robert Neal

Oceanside

Stop building to save water

It's been another dry year in San Diego County, and I am waiting for the authorities to start admonishing us to use less water.

My suggested response: We will conserve water when you quit building new houses and businesses.

Steve Stults

Carlsbad

Destroying ourselves from within

Sheriff Joe Arpaio [Maricopa County, Ariz.] knows what he is doing and isn't politically correct. Here in California our prisons are run by the politically correct and have created Motel 6 prisons. This attitude of the California people has filled our prisons to the point they want to release them early so they can commit more criminal acts, which in some leads to murder.

You, as a newspaper, are at fault for not telling your readers the truth. I have fed you with enough information that a good editor could write a five-page editorial informing the people where the problem is ññ the judicial system. For starters, attack the judicial system that is a party to the murders committed in this state. Taking over 29 years to process a death penalty appeal is criminal. Keep in mind that the defense people have elongated the DP appeal and, because of this length of time in processing, are now starting to claim cruel and unusual punishment.

We are destroying ourselves from within.

George Cullins

Oceanside

War has been a disaster for Israel

In response to Robert Green's letter to the editor (Letters, July 1) titled "Bloomberg's strategy": Careful, Mr. Green, your prejudices are showing. I wonder what Mr. Green's tortured logic would be to explain Bloomberg's party switch if he were not Jewish?

The fact is, Bloomberg is a life-long Democrat, like me, maybe like Mr. Green too. He only became a Republican to win the mayoral race in Rudy's wake. If he's hoping to split a vote, it would be the Republican vote, since they have no decent candidate. Or maybe he wants to win. Or maybe he's not even going to run for president and is simply bailing on the Republicans, whom he only joined for a short time. Sometimes the easiest answer is correct.

Meanwhile, Mr. Green's characterization of the Iraq war as "Israel's war" is woefully ignorant. This war has been a disaster for Israel, creating a whole new generation of terrorists to attack them. At least they haven't been attacked with missiles as they were when Bush Sr. invaded Iraq. If he thinks tiny little Israel has any influence over whom the U.S. superpower makes war on, he is very confused. And if they did, they would have chosen Iran or Syria, not Iraq.

Al Lefcourt

Carlsbad

Freedom comes from within

Let me tell you about freedom. Freedom is the core idea of America. No, America didn't invent freedom, our founders just knew how precious, rare and vulnerable freedom is.

Freedom means that individuals can be who they strive to be, within societal limits (and others' same freedoms) and our own capabilities and limitations. Since freedom cultivates an aware social evolution, enabling personal development and growth, it's natural that our culture constantly changes.

There is no American Way, as if the nostalgic 1950s remembrances are some sort of norm. It was just a passing phase. Thomas Jefferson recognized and encouraged this constant evolving.

The right-wing bloviates about freedom ññ free to be how they think is normal. Like the Muslim fundamentalists, they are afraid of true freedom. They see it as evil, and that's a reflection of them. They need laws to stay civil. Rick Santorum dreams of man/dog sex if we allow gays to have freedom. That's a sick mind.

I believe mankind is inherently good. I believe all religions point to the same God and that God is rather passive. We are on our own to be good, and that takes a strength that Republicans don't believe in.

Richard Crews

Encinitas

Weasel while we work

Aren't those politicians lucky that there are two sets of laws in our land, one for the hardworking taxpayers and one for the weasels who commit crimes while in office? The really unfortunate thing is that they feel no shame.

An all-new low for Bush. He must be digging a hole pretty deep to go any lower.

Claudia Faulk

Vista

Haditha the tip of the iceberg

I was reading in a newspaper about Haditha, where a few of the ... [servicemen] that some of us call heroes [allegedly] slaughtered innocent men, women and children. I realized that this was only the tip of a very large iceberg of dead Iraqis.

Then I realized that these heroes were only doing what they had been trained to do ññ kill people and blow things up. At least these men and women serving in Iraq realize that they are traveling thousands of miles to an occupied country where everyone hates them and wishes them dead and/or gone. Our average citizen seems to see things differently.

Since we have the planes, tanks and guns ññ the most powerful force on earth at the moment ññ I guess we think no one has the right to hate and kill us just because we are invading and destroying their country. All of us are taking part in this murderous (and cowardly) war for Iraqi oil and deserve whatever God and/or karma plans for us.

Eric Parish

Vista

Take the industry out of health care

Health care is now an industry that works only for the middlemen ññ the insurance companies that shape it and administer it, primarily for their own profit. In the process, they create confusion and paperwork galore, and they seriously degrade the quality and quantity of the care provided.

I am a provider as well as a consumer of health care services. However, I do not now have private health insurance, for me or for my family, because I have found that the restrictions and limitations of insurance companies and HMOs limit and distort my choices to the point that I wind up paying for the bulk of my health care out-of-pocket anyway.

A couple of generations ago, paying out-of-pocket was an acceptable and even satisfactory arrangement for most people. However, as costs have skyrocketed, and the system has become more complex, this is no longer prudent or even workable. ... The irony is that the usual alternative ññ private or employment-related insurance ññ has been largely instrumental in driving up the costs, as well as in generating rampant complexity and confusion. The only way to make health care effective, efficient and fair is to get back to the concept of health care as a service, not an industry. ... SB 840 is the closest approximation to this approach that has come down the pike in recent memory. ... I support it wholeheartedly.

Bart Body

Cardiff-by-the-Sea

Fundraiser set for teen with cancer

This is an update on Danny Alonso and a continued plea for prayer and help.

Danny was diagnosed with liver cancer on June 9. He had surgery on June 18 and he had another surgery on June 25 to insert a central line for chemotherapy and a drain to his liver. The Kaiser doctors decided to do this because there are other new treatments they can try on Danny. Danny was doing well in recovery. We received an authorization on June 28 for Danny to be seen at City of Hope hospital. Your prayers are still very much needed. Thank you to everyone who is praying and helping with fundraising.

There will be a fundraiser at Claim Jumper restaurant in Temecula on July 9 from 4 to 10 p.m. and you must present a flier or this letter so that the proceeds can get to Daniel. Other fundraisers are in the planning with Richie's Diner, Rubio's, El Torito restaurant and Pizza Factory. If you can give, please make all deposits to Wells Fargo Bank Account #558-45-67100 for Daniel Alonso. All checks can be written to Daniel Alonso and the bank account number on the bottom and back of the check. If you have any questions or need more information, please call Jessica at (951) 303-2239 or (951) 440-9446.

Thank you from all the friends and family on behalf of Daniel Alonso.

Alfred and Jessica Maldonado

Temecula

Editor's note: The account number published in connection with the Alonsos on June 23 was incorrect.

Governor has changed since 1991

In the summer of 1991, my wife and I were standing on the corner of an intersection in Sun Valley, Idaho, waiting for the light to change. A bicycle rider stopped and turned his head away from us. Another rider who followed pushed his bike between the first rider and I, running over my foot and hitting my shin with his pedal.

He said, "Excuse me." I thought, "Who do you think you are?" followed by "I should wipe the smirk off of their faces." As they rode away my wife asked, "Do you know who that was?" I said, "No." "That was Arnold (Schwarzenegger)," she said. My pride thought, "He's lucky I didn't react!"

Do we always react on our thoughts? Last week, forest fires burned many homes. A news clip of Arnold showed him walking in ashes left from the fire. He picked up a dumbbell. He had curled thousands like it becoming Mr. Universe, making movies, and now as governor. He looked at, then dropped, the dumbbell ---- without pumping it. His priorities changed. His expression was different from 1991. He showed concern.

My life has changed tremendously since following Christ. Paul told the Philippians in 3:8: "More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish in order that I may gain Christ."

Have we changed and gained?

Stephen Harris

Sun City

Nation was founded on Christianity

"The Christian Life and Character" by Benjamin Morris (1864) and the real history of the United States will be a surprise to many (William Hidalgo, Letters, April 18) who think we were not founded as a Christian nation. Our founders learned from previous cultures, the theocracy of the Hebrew commonwealth, the Roman religious obligation to government, the Greek Republic with beauty and the arts, the British Empire with its national aggrandizement and selfishness of the feudal system, and the atheistic evil of the French.

The persecutions in England, the conflicts in Germany by Luther, in Geneva by Calvin, and in Scotland by Knox were all considered and our country established as the Christian ideal where government could not dictate the particular sect of Christianity as an official religion, as in England, but that it would be under the direct influence of Christianity. "Separation of church and state," by Thomas Jefferson's meaning ---- and corrupted by the court ---- meant state separated from the church, not church from state, but state underpinned by Christianity.

John Quincy Adams said, "The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: It connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity." Even since the early 1800s there have been those who have willingly meant to remove Christianity through socialism by the establishment of public education methodology.

Today, we see the result in our schools of inadequately prepared students, brainwashed in evolutionary doctrine, homosexuality, abortion and all things anti-Christian that were not our founders' intent.

Irvin H. Forbing

Escondido

No additional gasoline taxes

Many times it's been said that we could add a gas tax to support the city as if it would help a broader base of people who receive any city services. Why has it not been said that all of us would pay too much if we did it? The companies being taxed would raise prices so that even people who use public transportation would pay more. There would be a cascading of various price increases with many companies passing on their cost increases to their customers in order to stay in business. The big oil companies would not be making any less profit and everyone would be paying more for less.

This idea of additional gas taxes costs too much. No additional taxes would help a broader base of people.

Maureen Christian

Murrieta

Ginsburg not 'moderate' in real world

Excuse Ellen Goodman, but her liberal bias slip was showing when she said: "(Justice) Ruth Bader Ginsburg was always called a moderate." ("Court's lone woman evolves," June 29). Maybe in Massachusetts, when compared to Kennedy, Kerry, Frank, et al. In the rest of the country, aka the real world, "moderate" would hardly be used to describe this former lead counsel of our America-loving friends at the ACLU.

I guess liberalism is a mental disorder. It certainly has distorted that columnist's view of the world.

Jeffrey A. Gorman

Winchester

Evolution's pillars are crumbling

I thought that Paul Wanson hit the nail on the head with his June 30 letter, "Evolution lacks basic credibility."

Yes, the pillars supporting the Darwinian theory are collapsing as we learn more about the complexity of the cell, DNA chemistry and examine the fossil record over the last 150 years.

However, there is not much I can say that will persuade minds that have already concluded evolution to be a fact, rather than a theory. In fact, Darwinian evolution is still a theory, not a scientific fact. A theory is a plausible explanation, but there's no firm basis to teach it in our schools as factual, and the only source of our origin. It is OK to teach as a theory, as long as other "origins" are taught as well. In the interest of diversity, let's teach all theories and let the students decide.

If you truly believe that life came from non-life billions of years ago with lightning striking primordial soup to form the first unicellular organism that eventually evolved over billions of years into the variety of life forms you see today, forming the male and counterpart female of the various species, and through chance and circumstance organisms became more and more complex and produced humanity that is capable of destroying all of life 50 times over in a nuclear war, then I'd like to talk with you about buying 50 acres of land out in the Mojave desert.

Edward Vargo

Temecula

Fresh from the Web



Two killed in fiery crash at McClellan-Palomar Airport

Readers respond to our July 4 story about a plane slamming into power lines just after takeoff from McClellan-Palomar Airport on Tuesday, killing the pilot and passenger in a fiery crash that narrowly missed two maintenance workers on the city's new golf course below.

Very sad

bleovao: "My husband works across from the airport. I was deeply saddened when I learned about the plane crash. With deepest sympathy ... "

Ground the planes

Too Many: "Too may crashes, time to shut this airport down! Just a big danger to all who live in North County."

Medical issues?

Howie: "For all we know, there was a medical emergency that contributed to the crash. You have to have all the switches in the right place, too, or you may lose fuel to an engine during a critical moment. Glad nobody else was hurt. It could have been a lot worse."

Keep flying

no name: "My sympathy to this family. Many lives were changed due to an awful accident. Keep in mind for all those who want the airport shut down -- 12 accidents in almost 40 years. Come on. Keep the airport open, move out the nuts. I live in the flight path and since I know a little about flying, I am not concerned at all."

In our hearts

friend: "Both men will be terribly missed, I knew them both and they were doing what they loved, accidents happen anywhere anytime, lets remember them and stop blaming the unknown."

Engine trouble?

Yeager: "I would suspect that the NTSB will look at the possibly of engine failure. That twin had two engines. If one failed on takeoff, it would not be unusual for the plane to descend and turn right and hit those power lines. Condolences to the family ... "

Plane crash into power lines prompts energy warning

Readers respond to our July 4 story about how Tuesday's fatal plane crash near McClellan-Palomar Airport also destroyed a key power line, taxing the state's power grid just as a heat wave moved in.

Priorities?

Osider: "Power alert? Oh my God! People lost their lives and NCT is worried about a power alert?"

Irreplaceable

Cheryl: "This article concentrated on the impact and damage to the 'towers that can be replaced'! Those two lives can NOT be replaced!"

Life does go on

What?: "While my sympathies go to the families and friends of the two people lost in this crash I don't understand your anger at this story. There is another story specifically about the plane crash. The loss of these two people will affect a couple of hundred lives at most. The power issue will affect millions. Plus, those millions need to be encouraged to try and conserve energy to help prevent overloading of the system. Hate to be the one to tell you this but you are about to get one of the fundamental life lessons. That lesson is life goes on even when a loved ones life doesn't."

Forum: Thanks to MiraCosta's Loyal Opposition

Readers respond to a July 4 community forum by Diane Bessell, former member MiraCosta board of trustees, praising the faithful consistency of the MiraCosta faculty who opposed the recent controversial actions of the college's president and majority trustees.

Lighter wallet

taxpayer: " 'They dissented when this president's 'style' proved totally incompatible with the school's deepest values -- a collegial model.' In other words, she wanted to be 'the boss,' and the faculty who previously ran the campus, and ran former presidents, didn't like it. Past presidents caved, why wouldn't she? So, they get rid of her -- at my expense. Thank you, faculty. Thank you for double-dipping into my pocket simply because you did not 'like' your new boss."

One on one

divide and conquer: "Divide and conquer is exactly how Richart dealt with the board members all the way through. Individual meetings to 'work' them -- and the board buffoons bought into it. Richart stroked the board members egos and promised 'massive fraud' but couldn't produce it (according to D.A.), except for her own benefit. Massive egos keep the board members from admitting their errors."

Who's the boss?

to "taxpayer": "OK, let me get this straight -- the 'boss' wasted hundreds of thousands of taxpayers' dollars in investigating a $305 loss (despite the faculty's warnings), then shook down the trustees for over a million dollars, and you think it's the faculty's fault? Maybe you need a reality check ... "

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Realist wrote on Jul 4, 2007 11:30 PM:Despite what many bloggers believe, I believe in freedom also. I believe in protecting our way of life, which is in danger even as we speak. I believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights just as any other American. I believe in our good president, who has helped the economy out of a slump, who has stepped up to the plate to defend our Country from terrorists. However, I do not agree with all his decisions. But I am glad that some one has the guts to go to the terrorists homeland and fight the war there instead of having dead Americans lying in our beloved streets. Keep that in mind when going to the polls in 15 months.

Escondeeter wrote on Jul 5, 2007 12:18 AM:Michele Erwin has an easy solution. Take the car that she's been storing on the street for long periods and put it in the driveway. Park the cars that come and go to work every day on the street. The law is intended to keep people from using the streets to store unused or infrequently used vehicles, because by doing so they deny everyone else the right to park. No one has the exclusive right to use the parking space in front of their home, it belongs to everyone. Bottom line: if it's not going to be moved for more than three days, don't leave your car on the street. The law in question has been in the vehicle code for over fifty years, in fact, if memory serves, it used to be a more stringent 48 hour limit instead of 72.

LYING UNDER OATH .. wrote on Jul 5, 2007 12:52 AM:... Lewis Libby lied under oath. Wrote Robert Bork and James Rosen, in the National Review: "Lying under oath strikes at the heart of our system of justice and the rule of law. It does not matter in the least what the perjury is about ..." Virtues paragon Bill Bennett, speaking to the WSJ: "And we know that when a person testifies under oath that he doesn't remember something when in fact he does, he has committed perjury." OF COURSE, these Republican hypocrites were speaking about Bill Clinton, not Scooter Libby. Such hypocrisy! The truth became inconvenient for the GOP.

Mary wrote on Jul 5, 2007 1:02 AM:To Mr. Vargo and Mr. Forbing.... YAWN! What a boring life you must have that you are so consumed with proving your religious views are the only correct ones.

SameOlStory wrote on Jul 5, 2007 1:18 AM:As usual, Michel, one guy screws it up for everyone. The location you mentioned is one of several areas in the city where the public right-of-way is being used by the operators of unlicensed 'curb-side used car dealers' to conduct their nefarious activities. That's probably why long-term parkers are attracting the attention of enforcement personnel.

To Michele Erwin wrote on Jul 5, 2007 3:24 AM:You omit an important fact. What does the driveway lead to? Could it be a garage? Who lives in the garage? You have a house in the Grand/Rose area and only have room to park one car off street? Your story does not ring true. Two people, three cars, none in the garage, about time the City cracked down on the on-street parking abusers. They got your neighbor too, that's good.

Ralphs wrote on Jul 5, 2007 4:47 AM:To Eric Parish, were you there in Haditha? I think not. Then I say that you do not know of what you speak. Lets listen to all sides before we condemn some for protecting your freedom to wrtie to a newspaper. Also, to those who now want the airport at Carlsbad closed as a danger to the public. Baloney! How many people are killed on the highways on a yearly basis? Do you want them shut down as a danger also? There are more good people killed every year on the roads in the U.S. than have been killed in Iraq. That makes our highways the largest danger you will face on a day to day basis.

FOCAL POINT wrote on Jul 5, 2007 6:48 AM:Realist wrote on Jul 4, 2007 11:30 PM:Iraq is not the home country of the terrorists. The majority of them did not show up there until after we had invaded and remained as occupiers. Quit playing the "follow us home card." The terrorists can strike anywhere in anyplace in the world right now. This includes the United States. Terrorists do not have to wait until we leave Iraq. In fact, even if we win in Iraq, terrorists still could strike in the good ole USA. The American people will be considering the election in 15 months. It will not be a Republican victory of the GWB ilk. What concerns me is that 1,000 to 3,000 more American fighting men will not be able to vote. They will be dead.

FOCAL POINT wrote on Jul 5, 2007 6:51 AM:TO THE EDITOR: Several blog members have requested that you follow your own policy by putting religious based letters in the faith and value section of the newspaper. Are you going to do it?

Editor: wrote on Jul 5, 2007 6:59 AM:Faith and values letters appear at www.nctimes.com/faith/

To Michele Erwin wrote on Jul 5, 2007 7:28 AM:Michele, yes I do think the City of Escondido has stopped harassing the homeless, but they are far from finished harassing the immigrants in the community! This parking measure is ill-fated and ill-advised way of stopping over crowding. You will not get much support or good suggestions from anyone on this forum as most of them agree with parking ordinance as one has already accused you of having someone living in your garage. Unfortunately, Michele you and others are what is now being called "collateral" damage. You are not the intended target but you still get shot! I would suggest that you attend the City Council meetings and make your protest to those who are in control of these decisions. Yes, I agree with the fact that no one has the right to say you can not park your car in your front yard. Well, except for Gallo, Waldron, Abed! I have three cars and only two people live in my home so what? Also I wonder what the people with teenagers who live at home are going to do, you know 4 cars, 4 drivers, where to park and what to do to avoid getting tickets? I am sure Waldron, Abed, and Gallo will not be seeing any tickets on their cars no matter where they park!!!

FOCAL POINT wrote on Jul 5, 2007 7:30 AM:Editor: wrote on Jul 5, 2007 6:59 AM: Then why are the letters from Stephen Harris in Irvin Forbing in that location instead of the letters to the editor section?

Alf wrote on Jul 5, 2007 7:40 AM:Well, "FOCAL POINT", while I agree that religious letters belong in the "Faith and Values" section and even though we have "separation of church and state", many issues intertwine "news" and "religion". The issue of teaching evolution at public schools versus creationism, the issues of "gay" anything, the issue of the Soledad Cross, and on and on. Where can one draw the line? It would be optimal to have hard and fast rules, but who sets them? Where do you think the line should be drawn? Still an unabashed Libertarian, Alf.

FOCAL POINT wrote on Jul 5, 2007 8:27 AM:Alf wrote on Jul 5, 2007 7:40 AM: Hi Alf. I used to think that the Supreme Court should decided these issues. But, it seems to change its' mind every other generation. I do not know where to draw the line. It could be debated or discussed ad infinitum. In my opinion, those two letters belong in the faith and value section as they seem to preach rather than to inform.

Vista Granny wrote on Jul 5, 2007 8:40 AM:Hello! This is for Ron. Please see my comment made to you after yesterday's letters. Just as Alf is an unabashed Libaertarian, I am an unabashed Liberal! Everyone in an HMO, and everyone who has an income under $100,000 per year should go see Sicko. Although Medicare is getting shorted by the Republicans and GWB, it is still a great program, except for that awful prescription drug plan. Straight, unadulterated Medicare gives you a choice of doctors, hospitals and treatment. No permission from a bean counter needed. Fortunately, I can still afford to buy prescriptions if I need them, and don't have to go generic route every time the way HMO patients do. Think about it Ron. You'll be old some day -- if you don't die first.(Maybe from something that could have been cured in Cuba, who knows?)

TO: the editor wrote on Jul 5, 2007 8:56 AM:Several bloggers have requested that you not print Eric Parish's same ol anti-American, ant-military trash 26 times a year; will you stop?

Ron wrote on Jul 5, 2007 9:01 AM:Do you have a garage, Michele Erwin?Ssee, that wasn't so hard.

Ron wrote on Jul 5, 2007 9:20 AM:I know it's like beating your head against a wall, Frank Wilkes. But... you must understand the type mass hysteria, and is leaning towards border-line psychosis, in some cases. People who are "hysterical" often lose self-control due to the overwhelming fear, while truly psychotic types are experiencing a "loss of contact with reality." No doubt, BDS began shortly after the 2000 election, and has spread like wild fire. This outbreak was not caused by the war in Iraq, it was caused with his "suspect" election, even though 7 newspapers have done a complete recount (including hanging, pregnant, and voter intended chad's), it still was not enough evidence. Then you had the Ted Kennedy-Bush Medi-Care drug program. Most libs would have been happy, a brand new gov't program, expanding the size of gov't... but No, it's was deemed a big give-away to Big Pharma, even though it was co-written by Ted Kennedy. I could go on, and on.. but you get the drift. Nothing Bush does, or will ever do will be right, or can be right. Despite any evidence to the contrary, Bush Derangement Syndrone does not allow them to see accept any other than, King George, he's running all branches of the government, and taking away our civil rights.

Alf wrote on Jul 5, 2007 9:32 AM:A good question, "Realist", is - By what means did GWB help the economy out of a slump? I'll clue you in. He started a war by invading Iraq. All that industry building all those bombs, bullets and vehicles. Yup, there sure is more work making more uniforms AND BODY-BAGS to put those dead American soldiers who are wearing the uniforms. Two of the "down-sides" of the GWB way are over 3,589 dead American soldiers and enough spending money that we don't have to bring our economy to complete collapse in the near future. How many millions and billions and hundreds of billions of dollars are we spending along with how many soldiers die each day in order to "help(ed) the economy out of a slump"? Your "logic" in this is not logical - "But I am glad that some one has the guts to go to the terrorists homeland and fight the war there instead of having dead Americans lying in our beloved streets." The terrorists didn't come FROM Iraq, some of them came TO Iraq, and some of them we "pushed over the edge" INTO terrorism by an invading U.S. military that had and has no business in Iraq. Still an ubabashed Libertarian, Alf.

Ron wrote on Jul 5, 2007 9:37 AM:Liberals do want even higher gas prices, Charles Bondy. Only they want the government to be collecting the profits, and not Big Oil. Their really no different than Hugo Chavez and his notion of nationalized resources. You see, they actually do believe in "trickle down" economics, some have termed "Voodoo economics." They absolutely believe the Saviours of the Left when they tell them, they will steal from corporations, and give the money to them, in the form of government programs. Of course, it never seems to work out that way, but you must understand, this is their faith. They have exchanged their believe in God, for a belief in Big Government, and in men. (or women, if you vote for Hillary) I always find it funny, whenever I hear them quoting Ben Franklin's wonderful notion that those who favor exchanging liberty for security are getting neither. Their blind spot, it seems to me, is in the fact that they don't seem to see exchanging their economic freedom for security, is one in the same. Entanglements were a dangerous thing to our founders, whether your talking about domestic security or economic security.

Laughing at Creationists wrote on Jul 5, 2007 9:42 AM:The theory of evolution doesn't have much to say about biogenesis, which is a separate topic. Evolution is a fact, the theory is in the details, which are constantly being refined. You may go stick your head in the sand and bleat about evolution, but that won't change the science one bit.

Laughing at Forbing wrote on Jul 5, 2007 9:47 AM:You need to read a little deeper than your Xian propaganda. There are far more documents supporting the other side.

bonddi wrote on Jul 5, 2007 9:50 AM:I am tired of reading opinions about creationism -- these letters do belong elsewhere. I personally believe that life started from evolved little men from Mars who created humans. Will I get my letter printed by the Editor?

Suggestion wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:25 AM:If any of you who complain about the health care industry (and there seems to be a lot of you) want to know how it got to be the way it is, you must read “Prostitution Insurance” ... a short, brilliant parody on health insurance by economist Arnold Kling. You can still find it at Tech Central Station (google that name) ... select TCS Daily: Technology - Commerce - Society ... from TCSDaily home page, under the “Authors Articles” tab, click on “More Articles by this Author” ... scroll down to “Prostitution Insurance,” May 15, 2007. It is an entertaining, perceptive and worthwhile read. Before we implore government to fix the health care industry, we should first understand how it got to be the way it is.

Ron wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:25 AM:"Freedom comes from within?", No Richard Crews, we are endowed by our Creator with "certain" unalienable rights. They are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. And that Creator also gave us some rules, some laws that are absolute, and they apply to all, even if you reject them personally. Jefferson spoke often about the God of Nature, I think he personally would be appalled by what many think today is "normal." We, as individuals, work within a community, a collective, to provide liberty to all, but.. as you say, "within societal limits." We all have differing opinions about freedom, and liberty, but what matters is how we come together to decide what should be allowed, and what shouldn't be. Limiting one's liberty is not always a bad thing, we limit freedom all the time. Pushing the envelope helps to refine us, distill, and concentrate our points of view. Over the many years of human history, culturals around the world have refined things that work, and things that don't. I think we know, what works, and what is a new experiment, or a re-play of an old one. As King Solomon (970-928 BCE) learned from his years on the earth: "There is nothing new under the Sun." To say that we are limiting people's liberty and freedom because they want to pursue failed, or even foolish ideas, might be restricting them. But, I tend to think of small child and open fires.

Daren wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:28 AM:Here's where the line should be drawn: any letters that contain religious quotes should only be printed in the 'faith & values' section.

Ron wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:35 AM:Well, I am amazed... Eric Parish has learned something! That Armies are made to do "kill people and blow things up." Now, maybe if he can convince the rest of the lib crowd, that their not a "Meals on Wheels", we could make some progress in our discussion about their use. But, I would like to remind all of you, Eric did not want to go into Afganistan either. No oil to speak of there, guess there's no lib mantra's to go with that one?

2 the realist wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:40 AM:You have a separate reality. Vote your hopes, not your fears.

Georgia wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:44 AM:Mr. Vargo If you really believe that a winged celestial being is watching over you and your every move and created the earth is seven days, rather than true and tested science I have some swampland to sell you.

Free speech guy to several bloggers wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:47 AM:What's wrong. Did you break your pinkies? Can't muster a good response on the old keyboard so you're asking the editor to intervene? Eric Parish's letters are just fine. If you don't like 'em, write your own.

Weasels wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:48 AM:Was Ms Faulk's letter refering to Marc Rich's former attorney Sccoter Libby or was there some other recent weasel that she had in mind?

Darrell wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:51 AM:To: "TO: the editor wrote on Jul 5, 2007 8:56 AM": I agree! Let's hear from ultra-conservatives only and fix ALL radio stations permanently to Fox! Long live the John Birch Society!

Are they joking? wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:54 AM:I absolutely love it when Irvin Forbing and guys like Ed Vargo write the kinds of letters they do. They don't even realize the damage they do to themselves and people who think like they do. The more light they shine on their ignorance the faster that ignorance will disappear. Keep up the good work fellas! And Ed, I have some land in Florida you might be interested in. And we still have some pieces of the Brooklyn Bridge for sale as well. God Bless you guys!

Ron wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:58 AM:Can you really.. "Take the "industry" out of health care.. when you subscribe to allowing the government industry to replace it? I don't see the difference, unless your a pure socialist, or a believer in "trickle down economics", in which the government is the one doing the trickling. SB 840 is the brain child of Democrat State Senator Sheila Kuehl, who wants the California health system to mimic the Canadian medical system. Under her plan, no private health insurance whatsoever will be allowed, only the State program. Ms. Kuehl, if you don't know, also introduced a bill to require California's textbooks to include the contributions of gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people to the state and nation's history. I can envision a State run healthcare system in which, every possible group, sect, or ethnicity will be given the right to advocate for their "fair share" of medical funding, once the shift has been made to the political meat-grinder of government. Cry's of discrimmination will incite many to declare we are not providing this group, or that sect with enough funding, and we are allowing them to suffer and die. This will reach up to the career politicians, and as always, trying to retain their elective seats, they will slip in earmarks, and make votes not in the best interests of Californians, but to certain political groups that provide them with campaign funds, or it is the politically correct vote to make.

to Alf & Focal Point wrote on Jul 5, 2007 11:20 AM:I've complained about the Forbing letters too. I couldn't presume to draw the line but I believe that the editor seems to be drawing different lines for different people. I just cannot tell the difference between the Forbing letters and some that appear in F&V. More broadly, I never understood the "values" aspect of F&V either...the letters to the editor are almost all about values. The other section should just be called "Faith". The NCT has fallen for the conservative ploy of linking values with religion, which is absurd (especially for a paper with liberal bias ;-)

Laughing at Darwinists wrote on Jul 5, 2007 11:24 AM:Evolution is a fact? Funny, even in our public schools where they push evolution, it is still referred to as theory. I wonder when it will be fact. It's been 150 years already since this theory was proposed. Yet, more questions than ever remain unanswered. But, to you it's still a "fact". Okay.

So Ron... wrote on Jul 5, 2007 11:25 AM:as Michael Moore might say, "How much did it cost you to send your kids through High School? What? You don't PAY for education here? You're kidding! The teachers are government employees? EVERYONE gets a free education if they want it here? Universal free education? Socialized education? Why do you pay for others' education? Because an educated society is better for everyone? Really? Because Americans treasure the idea that all our citizens should have the basics of life? (You can rerun this conversation about Police, Fire Depts, the Military, the roads, etc etc etc). So why not health care?

I saw Sicko too wrote on Jul 5, 2007 11:28 AM:I never realized we already had socialized institutions in our country. The fire department, the police department and the post office are socialized but we don't even think of them that way. Hopefully soon we will have socialized medicine which will be just thought of as goin' to the doctor, instead of that old boogey man socialism. P. S. The movie was great and I'm a conservative.

Ron wrote on Jul 5, 2007 11:30 AM:I would have to agree with the 8:56 AM comment & Darrell. I guess since Air America gone bankrupt, and Al Franken has left, Eric Parish decided to fill the vacuum. Remember he backs the Fairness Doctrine. No Sir, removing the central control from freedom of speech is what Reagan did, it was the Democrats during their 40 reign that installed the Fairness Doctrine, which is in fact, is akin to socialism. You take a look at Fox and they have more viewers in one program, than most others (ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, et. all) have across the board. It's the same with radio, as I mentioned above. Air America going bye-bye, Rush soaring. They just can't compete, and their mad. So, now with a new socialist Democrat majority, they can seek parity, by re-regulating content. You know how I stay informed? I read, everything. And Yes, I listen to both sides--Rush, and then Big Eddie Schultz. I like having both sides, I just don't think the Congress needs to impose affirmative action for liberals so they can make some money. Get a Job!

To Daren wrote on Jul 5, 2007 11:40 AM:What is a religious quote? Is it "religious" to speak of moral obligations? ... such as: "Everyone who wins at life's lottery had a moral obligation to help those less fortunate." Should we be able to paraphrase from the Bible but, God forbid, not quote it directly?

Alf wrote on Jul 5, 2007 11:40 AM:In my 9:32AM post I did not phrase the sentence "Two of the "down-sides" of the GWB way are over 3,589 dead American soldiers and enough spending money that we don't have to bring our economy to complete collapse in the near future.". IT SHOULD BE - Two of the "down-sides" of the GWB way of fixing our economic slump are 1) over 3,589 dead American soldiers and 2) enough spending of money, money that we don't have and have to borrow from China, to bring our economy to complete collapse in the near future. My apologies. Still an unabashed Libertarian, Alf.

Ron wrote on Jul 5, 2007 11:48 AM:My dearest Granny, First of all, you misunderstand me. I don't deny the fact that we need to change the ways we are delivering healthcare in this country. 15% of Americans without health insurance is an unacceptable number to me. But, I totally disagree that government run, is the way to go. You don't tear down the house, to fix a leak in the bathroom, you first try to fix the leak in the bathroom. Right? And of the 15%, how many of those simply choose not to have health insurance? I can tell you, as a father of three young men, it was like pulling teeth to get them to cover themselves. They simply didn't see the need, over and about, say... a newer model cell phone. Many Americans simply don't choose to insure themselves, they choose other lifestyle items instead. As to those who really want it, but can't afford it, I would first ask about their use of money, i.e. the size of their mortgage payment, car payments, etc. Have they over bought? Are they exceeding their monthly incomes? Many, many are. We see that in rises in credit card balances. I personally know of many people, who took money out of the equity of their home to buy a new car. It's stupid. Maybe remodeling the home, or your kid's colege, if you haven't saved for it, then I could see it. I wholly believe most have not planned well for their lives, and simply let things happen to them. We like to believe we have planned out, but.. we all know better, don't we? But, back to the one's who really want health insurance and really can't afford it. Are you aware that State's restrict insurance companies to those inside the State? This is why you see terms like Blue Cross of California, and Kaiser Northern California, and Kaiser Southern California. Or whenever you go to Las Vegas your in a out-of-network situation? Do you really think this is an invention of the insurance companies? Or is it a compromise they have had to make in regards to State-to-State regulations? Why do you think most States have an insurance commisioner? And how does that work to his or her advantage during their election? What if we eliminated the restrictions, and allowed insurance pools to be nation wide, instead of only State wide? Think the rates would go down? And while you make some good points about Medi-Care, I would inform you the current financial track of Medi-Care is unsustainable. We have added to the mix, many, many more people to that program than was originally designed. Sure, you could say, let's just throw some more money at it, let's go after the rich. Roll back the 4% Bush tax cut's on the top 1% and that will gain you about $50 billion a year. Hardly a complete fix. And how do you keep in the black, a program with terms like this: From the Dept. of health & Human Services; Center of Medicare & Medicaid services: "...the highest premium rates only paid by less than 1 percent of beneficiaries whose incomes are over $200,000 (or $400,000 for a married couple). A beneficiary who pays the highest income-related premium in 2007 would pay $1,936.80 per year in Part B premiums, but is estimated to receive an average of $4,363.00 in Medicare Part B benefits." So, unless you turn this program into a totally welfate type program, meaning you eliminate the rich from participating, your going broke. Do some more reading, and get back to me.

John wrote on Jul 5, 2007 11:53 AM:I'm getting tired of the Frank W*****- Thomas C**** feud over what Senator Reid said. The problem is that Reid has said many things, including both of their quotes. I thought I had put it to rest: see What Sen. Reid actually said," Letters, 5/27. There's a link to Fox News that shows the quotes in context.

It doesn't matter wrote on Jul 5, 2007 12:01 PM:Evolutionary biology is a part, a big part, of modern science. Scientists at work do not debate whether evolution of species has occurred, only how it has occurred. No one cares what John Doe thinks about it, any more than they do about what John Doe thinks about string theory, the big bang, heliocentrism, the periodic table, or anything else in these fields. Some years ago, people who believed in Biblical accounts of the world strongly opposed each of these. Now it's about biology. The one and only place it matters at all is in education. If we insist on presenting supernatural ideas as having equal status in science classes, we'll just leave science and progress to the rest of the world and America will continue to be correctly seen as getting dumber and dumber. If that's what we want, so be it, but the world of science will be cruising forward, full speed, regardless. We will be a society with as much credibility in places where it matters as other primitive tribal cultures. In other words, irrelevent.

Unsocialize the military wrote on Jul 5, 2007 12:17 PM:You know, I get pretty tired of liberals always wanting to take from the rich to pay for government programs. The military is one such program that has long grown way out of control. The bureaucrats and the industries that feed off them have worked out a pretty cozy deal. Preposterous costs of bolts. Now rediculous salaries going to "contractors" (aka merceneries) at taxpayer expense. "Oh!", the liberal shout, "but we must have a government-run military to protect our freedom" I agree that we need to have a military, but nothing like what we're being bled to pay for. The military hasn't been in the business of defending my freedoms in over 50 years. Let those who want such military protection voluntarily donate as much of their salaries as they wish. It's up to each person, in the USA, to keep his hard-earned money and not let the State dictate how we spend it.

John from USC wrote on Jul 5, 2007 12:49 PM:Unsocialized military: The military has plenty to answer for. They have lifer-free-loaders in EVERY branch of the military sucking our tax dollars from our pockets. The top brass makes promises of protection not unlike the Mafia promising protection. Go figure!

FOCAL POINT wrote on Jul 5, 2007 12:52 PM:Unsocialize the military wrote on Jul 5, 2007 12:17 PM: You need to address your concerns,observations and complaints concerning the condition and use of the military to the,"Decider" who is administering,"My Government." Liberals are not the bogyman that you portray them to be. You mentioned 50 years. How many Democratic administrations? How many Republican administrations? How many liberal or conservative administrations? Liberals do not shoot that we have to have a government run military. The Constitution state who and what is raise and maintain the military. No political party or philosophy is mentioned.

LaLa wrote on Jul 5, 2007 1:17 PM:Re: Evolution's pillars are crumbling: the following quote is absolutely the reverse of actuality: "Yes, the pillars supporting the Darwinian theory are collapsing as we learn more about the complexity of the cell, DNA chemistry and examine the fossil record over the last 150 years." Regarding DNA chemistry, did you know the director of the Human Genome Project is a Christian Evolutionst? What "new" information speaks against evolution?

evolution wrote on Jul 5, 2007 1:19 PM:If there was ever a better demonstration of why we must never allow religion in government it's the two letters today from the religious fanatics. One wants to somehow prove that all our Founders wanted this to be a nation that is only Christian, and the other wants to replace science with his take on his religion. I can see it now, a Christian theocracy that prevents any science that disagrees with the Bible. Scientists arrested for proving the earth revolves around the sun or that animals and plants evolve from simpler forms to more complex forms. Luckily our Founders were smart enough to say to future generations believe anything you want just don't try to make your beliefs the National Religion.

OBSRVATION wrote on Jul 5, 2007 1:21 PM:Unsocialize the military wrote on Jul 5, 2007 12:17 PM: The Internal Revenue Service will probably take pleasure in seizing your assets. Taxes are not voluntary.

Laughing at Creationists wrote on Jul 5, 2007 1:37 PM:You need to learn to read something besides the buy-bull. Evolution as a process is a fact, in the same way that gravity is a fact. The theories about each are refinements of detail about each, NOT about the whether or not the principle is true. Evolution isn't going away in science, it is getting steadily refined. So sorry.

Socialized medicine wrote on Jul 5, 2007 1:39 PM:is coming to the US. The only detail is how much the rich and neocons are going to whine about it before it gets here.

el_patron wrote on Jul 5, 2007 1:52 PM:Well Ron, I don't believe that rconomic freedom is equally spread anymore. It's over. All the ideas you have were true 50 years ago, but the modern corporate America has killed it. And, it's getting worse. The privatization and buy-back by the super wealthy are cutting off economis successes by the small guys. It's a proven fact that USA economic mobility is more restricted now than ever before. It's a fact that economic mobility is less here than in Europe. Europe! There's plenty of money to run a national health care plan. All we need to do is tax the people who can afford it. I challenge any American making 5 million a year to pack up and leave if we tax him at 35%. I dare him. It's a rare privilege to be wealthy in America, what with the safe streets and safe banking, and I say we bill them for it.

What a relief wrote on Jul 5, 2007 2:17 PM:It must be SUCH a relief to federal judges that federal sentencing guidelines can be ignored. Seems the judge in the Libby case gave a typical sentence (actually, it was on the light side: similar cases average 70 months' jail time), but W decided this was excessive. In other words, the guidelines must be wrong.

Suggestion wrote on Jul 5, 2007 2:24 PM:Good idea, Unsocialize. But lets first unsocialize healthcare, welfare, education, and then defense ... in that order.

Ron, Ron, Ron wrote on Jul 5, 2007 2:26 PM:I once heard that "figures don't lie, but liars can figure". I think you are leaving out the 2.8% of all income (if you are salaried, of course)which is paid into Medicare each year when you figure your rather odd premiums. Those on Social Security currently pay approximately $100 per month in premiums. (more if you want prescription insurance -- maybe a lot more)plus 20% of doctor bills, surgery, high end tests like full body bone scans, etc.after a initial deductible. It's not welfare. (Don't forget they also paid that 1.4% of their earnings before they reached 65.) And you forget, or ignore, the fact that no insurance company in the USA will insure someone over 65. All expect Medicare to be first payee, and they might pick up that 20% God forbid if you've had any disease or major surgery in your life -- then no one will insure you at any age. If you believe, as you seem to, that people should just pay their own medical bills if they can't get insurance, try this: A routine surgery for any type of cancer may cost $100,000 and up. Much of that charge is due to the fact that insurance companies (including Medyicare) pay a greatly reduced rate. Pity the poor uninsured fella or gal -- they get to pay the difference, making someone like you the beneficiary of their hard work, and sometimes their life time savings. You really should go see Sicko. it just might enlighten you. Oh, by the way, I've lived in a European country and used their "horrid socialist" medical care As far as I know, it was not too bad. Had a good friend who had a baby there. She was very pleased with her care.

Vista Granny wrote on Jul 5, 2007 2:30 PM:OOps, forgot to sign the above. And, Ron, don't call me "my dearest grannie". First of all, I don't like that kind of condescending talk, second I'm not your dearest, and third -- I'm too young to be called your grannie. Jeez, you must be a hundred, the way you ramble on, and on, and on, and on, and------------zzzzzzzz

PBS/NPR wrote on Jul 5, 2007 2:31 PM:One of the really amazing things about public radio/tv is that even though they are set up by the government, they most certainly are not arms of the government. They were set up under the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, the members of which had explicit orders not to interfere in program content in any way but to leave the stations independent. Until, of course, this administration appointed a Bush crony to head the CPB. Once on the job, he immediately began investigating and attacking PBS for being liberally biased. Since it was patently obvious from any of a hundred studies that this was not true, he narrowed down his search to just Bill Moyers. Studies of Moyers' programs such as NOW have also shown that guests have been at least half Republicans and Conservatives, but the crony insisted that Moyers still was too liberal. Now of course Moyers is liberal, no one argues with that. But is this what is meant by "fair and balanced"? That even if overall the news shows are fair, if you can find any little part that is liberal you can focus only on that part? I don't think so. And that crony is gone, thanks to public pressure. But it is interesting that for the first time a President attempted to use PBS/NPR as an ideological organ. For those moments, under Bush, we moved towards being Soviets with Pravda.

To the Eric Parish haters!!! wrote on Jul 5, 2007 2:35 PM:FREEDOM OF SPEECH, BABY, FREEDOM OF SPEECH. KEEP ON WRITING ERIC, YOU SEEM TO REALLY GET TO THOSE SUPPOSED PATRIOTIC AMERICANS WHO CALL YOU ANTI-AMERICAN. You Rock, Man.

Linda W, wrote on Jul 5, 2007 2:36 PM:It appears that a bunch of flat earth neocons got together to write letters to the editor.

Public Broadcasting PS wrote on Jul 5, 2007 2:39 PM:From the NY Times QUOTE Investigators at the Corporation for Public Broadcasting said on Tuesday that they had uncovered evidence that its former chairman had repeatedly broken federal law and the organization's own regulations in a campaign to combat what he saw as liberal bias. A scathing report by the corporation's inspector general, submitted to Congress on Tuesday, described a dysfunctional organization that appeared to have violated the Public Broadcasting Act, which created the corporation and was written to insulate programming decisions from politics. ENDQUOTE (from 11/05). If we sat back and calmly and objectively went through accounts such as this for the Bush years, we would be shocked, I believe, at the sheer amount of illegal activity Bush's henchmen carried out or attempted all over the government. And this example comes from a time when the Republicans controlled Congress. I believe as history unfolds and the academics get into the details that become unclassified, future Americans will look on this time with enormous shame, and with a sense of disbelief at what we, the people, allowed.

I think, wrote on Jul 5, 2007 2:41 PM:Someone is confusing immigrants with illegal aliens, what an insult to immigrants. Illegals aliens should go home where they won't be harassed.

Deconstructing Ron wrote on Jul 5, 2007 2:53 PM:Rons complete and total paranoia concerning our Government should be alarming to any and all citizens. He uses divisive language to incite fear and anger at those he deems either unworthy or a threat to his agendas. There is no debate with him. There is no dialogue with him. Only fear mongering, constant whining, blame shifting, and no acountability. He is a contradiction to himself-he hates our government, except when it fits his dogmatic worldview. He acts as if our government is a bumbling circus of idiots. It is not. It may not be perfect, but that is why informed citizens have the ability to change it. It is the mentality of don't trust it that leads it to not function properly. Ron wants you to not trust your government. He wants you to be afraid. He wants you to disengage. That is why he is constantly telling you that you are wrong. He is the parnet that chides and points out all your short comings. It is his way of maintaining control. This is what people who are insecure do. His pattern is text book. He makes things up and passes them off as facts and why he blogs here endlessly; he can not be held accountable for anything here. His presence is a distraction and is intended to drive out dissent. He blames everyone for his problems.

Cindy wrote on Jul 5, 2007 3:01 PM:Eric can write 52 letters a year for all I care. What "patriot" out there is trying to stifle free speech? Talk about flat earth people.

What do you think? wrote on Jul 5, 2007 3:03 PM:About the economy when President Clinton was President? It was pretty good for us middle class people. Under Bush it has done great for the wealthy. We were not in a slump under President Clinton.

Rose D wrote on Jul 5, 2007 3:13 PM:Although I agree religious letters belong in the faith column, I can just skip over them, so they don't bother me. I don't like anyone preaching to me about Buddha, Islam, Christianity, the Sun God, Baal or any one's God. That belongs in church for those who want to hear it.

I think wrote on Jul 5, 2007 3:29 PM:The economy under Clinton was great from 1995-2000, and the economy under Bush has been great from 2003 up through today.

Iraq and oil wrote on Jul 5, 2007 3:30 PM:</