el_patron wrote on Jun 28, 2007 1:09 AM:Robert Salvi is just juggling key words, big shiny pretty words. Put them together and they make no sense; a clue being that he argues with two opposing views. The density in our breath, or any local concentration, is meaningless. He cannot prove that CO2 follows temperature. Can't do it. He's probably confused by the feedback loop, the tripping point that surges. Remember, it takes two to lie. One talking, and one listening. Be careful of word-flinging silliness. Baloney.

Concerned-1 wrote on Jun 28, 2007 6:16 AM:I heartily agree with Myra Moran's assessment of the grocery union, Gary Myer's opinion on the war gone bad, Don Peck's view of GW, and Joe Prizzi's request for a Cheney indictment. Great Letters, Folks! I'm sure Ron's skivvies will be in a twist today, and we'll have to endure this endless posts. That's why I thought I'd get in early, and make one post before the phoney Concerned-1 shows up again!

Realist wrote on Jun 28, 2007 6:50 AM:Continuing our discussion, Alf - if you voted in the last election you have nothing to worry about. My message was to those who complain about the government and did not exercise their right to vote. By taking that right for granted, they let government run their life. That bothers me a LOT.

Realist wrote on Jun 28, 2007 6:52 AM:There is no conclusive evidence that CO2 is the primary cause of global warming. Yes, humans have had a negative impact on the environment, the quesition is how much. More studies need to be completed.

PEM wrote on Jun 28, 2007 7:24 AM:To Myra Moran of Oceanside, I do feel for you and others, you like many other people need more money to live here in California, and I sell insurance and know that health insurance is not cheap, how people can afford, I now know why 45 million Americans don't have it. But the reason for this comment is if the Big Chains give you that pay raise and the health coveage guess who will be paying for it in the long run. You know how you said toilet paper went up, well instead of being $13.49 will go up to $15.99, so like a revolving door, they pay you higher wages and we pay higher prices, no one really win, except the big wigs at the top. When will it ever end.

Is this acceptable? wrote on Jun 28, 2007 8:19 AM:The White House refused to comply with Congressional subpoenas today. Is this acceptable to bloggers? Some of you will say the investigation is "political", as the President has, as if "political" and "important" or "legal" are mutually exclusive. Of course the investigations are political. But of course they also are important, meaningful, legal. Bush backers increasingly seem to be insisting that the law is for lesser folks.

To Support the grocery union wrote on Jun 28, 2007 8:34 AM:Myra Moran has implored us all to "...Support your local grocery clerk. Grow your own food. Or shop at Stater Bros. They gave their employees a raise, benefits and no two tier. Thanks, union. United we stand now!" Gee, Ms. Moran, aren’t these all examples of CHOICE in action? What if I don't want to grow my own food-- or can't? Shopping at Stater Brothers is a CHOICE. My question to you is this: Since you are “encouraging” us all to use our freedom to choose (or are you telling us? It is hard to tell sometimes with union supporters.) why don't you then CHOOSE to work at Stater Brothers yourself? It seems to me that you should go where the grass is greener. It also seems to me that if you truly wanted to be logically consistent, you would "encourage" us all to not shop at ANY non-unionized store. Because that is your competition, is it not? The one's you're bosses are trying to outdo, correct? Yet you encourage us to shop there? Why don't you work there? Or do you need permission to even go to the bathroom from your union representatives? No thank you, I'll be crossing the picket lines every chance I get. (Respectfully, of course. But if you get in my face or touch me, I’ll press charges.) The problem isn't the high cost of health benefits, it is the low wages driven down by illegal aliens--- it affects EVERY facet of American life these days. I'll be enjoying the cheap meat cut by the scabs, thank you very much. (By the way, scabs heal wonderfully if you don't pick at them and leave them alone.)

Pinky wrote on Jun 28, 2007 8:42 AM:Yesterday's revelation that Bill Clinton and other Democrats are on the same highly-politically influential boards (Bilderberg Group, Tri-Lateral Commission) as Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz gives me the same creepy feeling I had when I found out that both presidential candidates in 2000, Bush AND Kerry, were Skull and Bonesmen. While I don't go in much for conspiracy theories... just suppose for a minute that those who are truly in power behind the scenes don't really care if we have a Democratic or a Republican president because they have key players on both sides? We know our political system is broken and corrupt, but do we really know HOW screwed we really are? Just thinkin' out loud.

FOCAL POINT wrote on Jun 28, 2007 8:44 AM:Bernie Schroer You state that the President has the courage to stand fast. Well, this alleged attribute continues the war in Iraq resulting in the deaths of your countrymen. I do not think that he is courageous. If he were, GWB would have served in combat during the Vietnam War instead of opting out to a National Guard unit or servicing President Bush's election campaign. No, GWB is just stubborn. Courage has nothing to do with it.

Ron wrote on Jun 28, 2007 8:49 AM:Now that the immigration deal is dead, we need enforcement! There are about 632,000 fugitive illegal immigrants nationwide, they have committed crimes or have been ordered deported. Round up, put in prison and/or deport, build the fence, and then we'll talk about the 12-20 million. Sounds like a good place to start for me.

Alf wrote on Jun 28, 2007 8:57 AM:GWB yet again violates his oath of office by refusing to hand over documents to Congress. He acts, yet again, as if he is above the law and above the Constitution. Is there anyone who does not see this as contempt for the Constitution and the American People? I am disgusted. Still an irate Libertarian, Alf.

Nick wrote on Jun 28, 2007 9:21 AM:Breaking News...Just not in this paper as usual. THE IMMIGRATION BILL has been defeated! Dead! Hurray for America and the American people. I can't stop laughing... at all the Illegal loving bloggers and their supporters in these blogs. You are all the minority and don't speak for the majority of the American people. No Amesty, just more deportation. Hurray!

Ron wrote on Jun 28, 2007 9:26 AM:It's called "Central Planning", Ken Harrison. Where's the water shortage? They spend now, for their own re-election, and don't plan for the future. Now, you can blame the developers all you want, but developers wouldn't be able to build a thing, if it were not for the politicians who needed their money. So, who gets the shaft? Me, you, and the rest of us. We live in a virtually water-less area, we import most of our water. That requires planning, that requires building the infrastructure to bring in more water. Or.. you take fewer showers, flush less, don't water your lawns, your fruit trees, etc. Where are all the De-Sal plants? Or have the NIMBY's put the quash on them too?

Ron wrote on Jun 28, 2007 9:44 AM:The sour grapes continue... i.e. Linda Kelly's letter today. Bilbray was asked by owner Sam Hardage of Woodfin Suites Hotel in Emeryville, to help him with a problem of invalid social security numbers of staff at his hotel. Hardage lives in Rancho Santa Fe, was a contributor to Bilbray, he is Bilbray's constiuent. The controversy about a "living wage" ordinance in Emeryville is a non-starter for those who are using illegally gotten social security cards. They are not valid, legal employees. The labor activists are the one's who have accused Hardage of using his connections with Republicans to not pay the living wage to employees. What Hardage is disputing is paying the "living wage" to illegals. Fast and loose? Maybe, if they have known for some time about these fake social security numbers. That fact has never been made public. As for Ms. Busby, her words still ring in my ears: "You don't need papers for voting, your don't need papers to help." And, you don't need papers to collect a living wage either.

Concerned-1 wrote on Jun 28, 2007 9:55 AM:I'm concerned, and worried, about this immigration bill. First, it is really flawed and unenforceable. Second, it is all hot air, except for the worst part: ammenesty for 20 million people. I'm worried that it will pass because our lawmakers have an agenda and care nothing for the average citizen. I'm worried that if it doesn't pass, there will be less security on our borders and less enforcement by ICE. Where is the light?

Laughing at Bob Kowell wrote on Jun 28, 2007 9:57 AM:You need some psychiatric meds, dude. The big bad ACLU is not out to control your mind, and the foil hat won't help.

Ron wrote on Jun 28, 2007 10:00 AM:I have sympathy for Myra Moran, I really do. 27 years in a grocery store, in a job that was never intended to support a family, getting fed the union tripe about greedy corporations and employers, and making no plans beyond the grocery store. This is the end result. She can cite all of the price increases she likes, corporations and employers of all sizes deal with them on a daily basis. What Ms. Moran is basically asking each of us is this: Buy more expensive stuff from the company I work at, so that I can make more money. She asks this, without regard to quality, service, or any other ingredient you as a consumer, may or may not choose as a reason to shop at a particular place. For me, personally, I shop at places I own stock in, just like when I buy gas. There is such a thing as a smart consumer, you get paid on both ends, lower prices for groceries, and stock dividends.

To Ken on water stuff wrote on Jun 28, 2007 10:02 AM:You're 100% right on the mark. So long as cities allow unbridled development everywhere water will become more and more and more precious- whatever happened to planning intelligently? Oh yeah..that's right..guys like Feller get on councils after they take taxpayer money to attend every rubber chicken dinner and make nice with the public while he stabs them in the back by voting for EVERY developer that crosses his threshold.

now I get it wrote on Jun 28, 2007 10:14 AM:I always wondered about Bob Kowells letters promoting the next meeting of the local Republican club. Instead of just presenting the facts, they always had a sense of breathless urgency as if the world would end if someone didn't attend. Now I get it, Bob is a right wing religious character. You know, the kind that want to force their religion on to the rest of us. And he sees the Republican Party as the tool to do it. Sorry Bob, but that ship has left the dock. The American people in poll after poll have rejected religion being foisted on to anyone. And now they are rejecting the Republican Party for being the handmaiden of that attempt. You can practice your religion when ever and where ever you want, just don't expect our government to support it. Let's here it for the ACLU. An organization whose only purpose is to protect the Bill of Rights. Just the way the Founding Fathers wanted.

FOCAL POINT wrote on Jun 28, 2007 10:20 AM:I heartily agree with Robert Salvi's assessment of the climate change sham, Barry Micklewright's opinion on how McClintock would be a superior US Senator to the obviously corrupt Feinstein, Bernie Schroer's exposing both of California's corrupt US Senators, and Bob Kowell's terrific letter about the anti-American ACLU. Great Letters, Folks! I'm sure Jules, Pinky's, and el_patron's skivvies will all be in a twist today, and we'll have to endure their endless posts. That's why I thought I'd get in early, and make one post before the phoney FOCAL POINT shows up again! "

Ron wrote on Jun 28, 2007 10:20 AM:Gary Myers states: "It should never be forgotten that there were no active cells of al-Qaida in Iraq until the Bush administration created an opening for them with his administration's total incompetence of handling of the Iraqi war after the U.S. toppled Saddam Hussein." Either Gary does no know the facts, or he is deliberately lying about them. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was a Jordanian who ran a militant training camp in Afghanistan alongside Osama bin Laden. He led al-Tawhid wal-Jihad, which became a franchise of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, until his death in June 2006. Zarqawi's group received funding from Osama bin Laden. October 7, 2001, al-Zarqawi formally joined forces with al-Qaeda and the Taliban. In 2002, Abu Musab al Zarqawi recuperated "in Baghdad" and with the help and knowledge of Hussein's sons Uday and Qusay, after being wounded while fighting with Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters resisting the United States invasion of Afghanistan. As indicated in Iraqi Support for Terrorism, the Iraqi regime was, at a minimum, aware of al-Zarqawi’s presence in Baghdad in 2002 because a foreign government service passed information regarding his whereabouts to Iraqi authorities in June 2002. Now... what was that again? No al-Qaida in Iraq prior to the invasion?

Ron wrote on Jun 28, 2007 10:31 AM:Moral baloney from Don Peck. Those of us on the otherside of the stem cell issue, find Mr. Peck's view on carving up embryos closer to the Josef Mengele school of medicine, than real science. Stem cell research in adult, umbilical, and more recently skin cells, has been moving ahead with promise, while fetal cells are cited as possibly promising "if" we can do the research. Bush is said to be stopping science, all Bush is doing is stopping the funding of government dollars. There are plenty of private companies doing this very type of research. But if you listen to advocates, you'd be led to believe it doesn't exist because of Bush, and Christians. Sure, more money would mean, more research. But here's an idea for the internet folks. Google embryonic research, and find those companies who are presently doing this kind of research, and buy stock. Does it really matter if your tax money goes through government to fund it, or direct? If you really believe in this avenue, then fund it out of your own pocket directly.

Where's the water shortage? wrote on Jun 28, 2007 10:55 AM:Ken If there was really a water shortage we would be pumping the salt out of sea water to turn our lawns green

To grocery clerks wrote on Jun 28, 2007 11:02 AM:The grass ia always greener on the other side, do as the rest of us do and change jobs. When your employer is no longer willing to pay for your skills find someone who will! What percentage increase has Costco, walmart, and gas station employees gotten over the past year's.

Alf wrote on Jun 28, 2007 11:38 AM:I vote every election because, as you pointed out, those that do not vote SHOULD not complain, having not voiced their opinion via the ballot. Whether the new voting machines are accurate, whether they can be more easily rigged is another matter. That's why I will not trust a system where there is no "paper trail". Still an unabashed Libertarian, Alf.

Alf wrote on Jun 28, 2007 11:52 AM:Ken Harrison makes an extremely valid point. Note the word "future" as a qualifier. It is important to allow that which has already been approved, but to curtail issuing permits for new water drains (pun intended). An unapologetic Libertarian, Alf.

FOCAL POINT wrote on Jun 28, 2007 12:09 PM:To Support the grocery union wrote on Jun 28, 2007 8:34 AM: Your rant reveals an anti union bias. Myra does not need the permission of her union steward to use the ladies rest room. Permission from the store's floor manager is required. There are no "union bosses." The administrators of the union are democratically elected. The union's membership is sovereign. You refer to non union store competitors. I do not know of any non union chain grocery stores that has the same product mix and services as the union worked stores. I am afraid that you are misinformed about the cut of meat. It will not be cheaper even if cut by a non union scab. No one will interfere with your right to cross a picket line as a customer. That is all in your imagination. Dealing with the SCABS might be different. I shall not cross the picket line in case of the strike.

Reardon wrote on Jun 28, 2007 12:11 PM:Sorry, Myra, the union is asking for continuing pay that is not warranted by horrible working conditions, skill required, education earned, or exclusivity. Those items are the hallmark of higher pay, and scanning turnips qualifies not at all. Grocery working is not a "middle-class" operation, it is an hourly-pay JOB! Middle-class occupations are the "shopkeepers" -- owners of small businesses and self-employed and salaried in this nation. The "upper-class" are primarily those whose money works for them -- they manage money, not people. (Even corporate CEOs and their top staff manage money, not people.) You want middle-class pay so you can own a house, drive a nice car, have good medical care, and I want that for you. Get a middle-class job -- take a risk and start your own business, open your own store, become your own boss. Most people start in an hourly job, but staying there is a self-limiting choice. I have read all of those grocery worker's claims that they hold the safety of the nation in their hands, so despite low skill, low educational requirements, and good working conditions they should get really good pay. By that reasoning, the guy who replaces my brakes, or changes my tires should be a millionaire!

to Alf and Realist wrote on Jun 28, 2007 12:17 PM:As some of the posts today repeat, many Americans have come to believe that our elections are pretty meaningless. The candidates are wealthy and represent wealth. They are selected by their parties for their sound-bite affability. They seem not even to intend to keep campaign promises. So many people ask: why vote? In a way, not voting is voting that the election is a farce, but of course it's a vote without consequence. Seems like we need a major "oust the incumbents" movement, or something like that.

FOCAL POINT wrote on Jun 28, 2007 12:31 PM:FOCAL POINT wrote on Jun 28, 2007 10:20 AM: I was not the author of this entry on the blog. -FOCAL POINT

to: elpatron del bano wrote on Jun 28, 2007 12:32 PM:"Big shiny pretty words". Uh HUh, facts sometimes do come across that way, but being a liberal you don't burden yourself with facts and opposing views. Al Gore says global warming is real and man-made and thats all you need to know.

Don the Shrewd wrote on Jun 28, 2007 12:42 PM:Man, Don Peck really is lost. Don, you make is sound as if embryonic stem cell research as funded by the federal government has now come to a screeching halt. It hasn't. Bush vetoed FURTHER GOVERNMENT FUNDING for it. He didn't shut the funding off. And remind us how many cures have come from embryonic stem cell research? I'll give you a hint: it rhymes with "hero". Contrast that with the numerous cures in adult stem cells. Here is something to think about. Hardly anyone can disagree that the private sector is more efficient and more productive than any government agency could ever dream of being. Embryonic research is happening in that private sector. Wouldn't you say that you have a better chance of finding that elusive 1st cure via embryonic research through private enterprise much sooner than you would expect to by throwing more money at a bumbling government?

Howard wrote on Jun 28, 2007 1:02 PM:Where can I purchase a copy of the republican doctrine primer that this Ron keeps quoting from. It would be quite amusing to read his "fact" book. Thank you.

to Howard wrote on Jun 28, 2007 1:16 PM:At last count, 22% of evangelical Christians are registered Democrats. Eeeeek. Do you think that bothers the Democrats - having those scary religionists in their party?

Realist wrote on Jun 28, 2007 1:30 PM:I have no sympathy for the grocery workers. If you aren't satisfied with your job, get another one! Health care cuts are occuring everywhere, and Stater Bros pays better. Most of these people are educated enough to better themselves.

Al Qaida in Iraq wrote on Jun 28, 2007 1:41 PM:At most, then, there was a person who was an Al Qaida member in Iraq. Was there a "cell"? No evidence for it. Was that one person in cahoots with the Iraqi government (other than the latter simply being aware he was in the country)? No evidence for it. Was there Al Qaida activity in Iraq? No evidence for it. Was the Hussein government interested in working with Al Qaida in any way? Nothing but evidence against it. Yawn.

Alf wrote on Jun 28, 2007 1:54 PM:A great many people are disgusted with "the system" of voting, "to Alf and Realist" 12:17PM". "Ousting the incumbents" can only work if there is a concerted effort AND IF INFORMED PEOPLE VOTE. The vicious cycle of dissatisfaction with election outcomes "resulting" in less voter turnout simply results in more power being given to those who do vote. A case in point for the need to get INFORMED and remember 8th grade (or lower)history (social studies) - Prop. 83 contained language that was un-Constitutional and had no business being presented to the voters as it was written and parts were rightfully struck down by the court(s). AN INFORMED ELECTORATE would not have passed that prop. AN EMOTIONAL ELECTORATE voted for it and needed a reminder of what the U.S. Constitution says. Voting without being truly informed is worse than not voting at all!! Why not make the cause be to educate, to learn, to research BOTH sides of issues and then VOTE using your thinking, rational mind. AND vote out all incumbents unless the incumbent is the best for the job. Still an unabashed Libertarian, Alf.

LaLa wrote on Jun 28, 2007 2:10 PM:Ding, dong, the wicked witch is dead! This time, the Senate fell on it, rather than the House. With that out of the way, I second the motion of Sharpell's letter yesterday: let's get our borders secured. Control on our southern border will be a three-fer, reducing the influx of illegal immigrants, reducing the inflow of illicit drugs, and providing a deterrent to entry of terrorists.

Lost respect4 Ron wrote on Jun 28, 2007 2:10 PM:Hey Ron, looks like you've made another friend; Howy @ 1:02pm. Go head and straighten him out!

Deconstructing Ron wrote on Jun 28, 2007 2:46 PM:Ron's dogma is at it again. Must be near the end of his meds, as the rhetoric is thick today. Still no insight, no originality, no hope. Just more whining and complaining and blame shifting/placing. Always the apologist. Have some kool aid, fix your little tin foil hat, and get back to cutting and pasting.

FOCAL POINT wrote on Jun 28, 2007 2:51 PM:Ron wrote on Jun 28, 2007 10:20 AM:Nothing that you wrote in this blog proves that there were active Al Qaeda cells in Iraq prior to 9/11.

To Myra wrote on Jun 28, 2007 3:04 PM:The best advice I can give you is to read the post by Reardon (12:11 PM) . . . if you already read it, read it again. BTW, if your raise goes through, it will be the customers who pay it . . . that’s econ 101.

FOCAL POINT wrote on Jun 28, 2007 3:20 PM:Realist wrote on Jun 28, 2007 1:30 PM: The improvement of labor in this country is proven by men and women willing to fight to improve working conditions, safety, fair wages and complementation. If you don't like it, cross the picket line but don't tell them what to do.

FOCAL POINT wrote on Jun 28, 2007 3:34 PM:" Ron wrote on Jun 28, 2007 10:20 AM There is nothing in this blog that proves al qaeda in Iraq prior to our invasion. One thing that irks people who research your statements is the habit of using verbiage from a source word for word with quotation marks or any reference to the source.

Try again wrote on Jun 28, 2007 3:42 PM:Should the Executive Branch be immune from Congressional subpoenas? I guess today Cheney is back considering himself part of the Executive Branch. Really, folks, is this acceptable to you?

Keep the pressure on wrote on Jun 28, 2007 3:47 PM:Now that the amnesty bill is dead, it's pretty obvious that the US citizens made some noise to kill it. Let's not stop at this. It's time to intensify the pressure and get the government to start enforcing the laws that we already have. Keep calling and emailing. Don't let them think, for a second, that we are not paying attention!

Marky Marx wrote on Jun 28, 2007 3:48 PM:You rock FOCAL POINT! What Al Qaeda anyway. Thats just a crock our warmongering president made up. What we have to fear are the Re-pugs and Christo-facistsWhat say the peeps; Vista Granny, Alf, El Patron, Jules. Power to the peeps!!!

Marky Marx wrote on Jun 28, 2007 3:48 PM:You rock FOCAL POINT! What Al Qaeda anyway. Thats just a crock our warmongering president made up. What we have to fear are the Re-pugs and Christo-facists. What say the peeps; Vista Granny, Alf, El Patron, Jules. Power to the peeps!!!

Liberal Christians wrote on Jun 28, 2007 4:09 PM:This country has a wonderful and rich history of Christian liberalism. The association of Christians with conservatives is a very recent thing, and based on a very few hot button issues. We'd be led to believe that all Christians care about is abortion and homosexuality. But good Christians have always cared about kindness and mercy towards the poor, social justice, and many have been anti-war and anti-death penalty as well. In fact, the Southern Baptist Church was the ONLY sizable Christian sect that did not come out against the Iraq invasion in 03. By pointing repeatedly to the abortion and gay rights issues, conservatives have duped Christians (and all of us) into thinking this is what their faith is all about. Hopefully as the Roves and Bushes of the world go away, the Christian view of politics will get back to normal.

Marky Marx wrote on Jun 28, 2007 4:13 PM:Today the Senate buckled under pressure from a buch of racists and xenophobes. Big loss for immigration...sick, sick. Rise up, Jules, El Patron, Vista Granny, FOCAL POINT, Alf! Power to the peeps!

Ron wrote on Jun 28, 2007 4:43 PM:To: Al Qaida in Iraq @ 1:41 PM, don't be lazy, I gave you the cite, read it for yourself. He had is own group, al-Tawhid wal-Jihad.. & it was in fact, partially funded by Bin Laden. Do I need to continue? I tried to tell you before, the sanctions were breaking down Hussein's ability to retain control, if not for Oil-for-Food, he probably would have been toppled without invasion.

Pinky wrote on Jun 28, 2007 4:53 PM:Re: The White House's refusal to submit subpoened documents. Just another in a long line of blatant disregard. I write my congress people every day now and demand impeachment of both Cheney and Bush. No, their actions are NOT OK with me.

Ron wrote on Jun 28, 2007 4:57 PM:Still unconvinced? My dearest friend FOCAL POINT? I don't think any fact or evidence put in front of you, would ever convince you out of the mental construct you have developed for yourself. Like a cocoon, it keeps you warm, and safe. Nothing in this blog may convince you, I doubt, sincerely, anything will move you from your current mindset. But know this... The United States has captured most of the Iraqi records, and from what I hear, they are as good, and in some cases, better than what their mentors, the Soviets had. Eventually, we will have enough Arab interpreters at the CIA to have dissected each and every message, letter, or item sent in or out of Iraq prior to our invasion. It's like science, just because you can't see it now, in the future, the truth shall be revealed. Hope your having a great day!

Ron wrote on Jun 28, 2007 5:00 PM:I'm hoping they do the ol' Rope-a-Dope with Congress, Try again @3:42 PM. Lord knows, there's plenty of em up there. Starting with Waxman. He gets on my nerves.

Snarky Snarx wrote on Jun 28, 2007 5:01 PM:You rock! What Global Warming anyway. That's just a crock our environment loving liberals made up. What we have to fear are the Demoncrats and Greeniefascists. What say the peeps; Marky, Ron, Conservative 1, Mike AmeriKa. No Power to the peeps!!!

LaLa wrote on Jun 28, 2007 5:46 PM:to Liberal Christians: Thanks for the input. It's refreshing to see an opinion expressed objectively without pejorative attacks on the opinions of others. I have to believe that the loony left and the rabid religious right constitute a very small minority. But, as you say, they surely are vocal, aren't they?

to Liberal Christians wrote on Jun 28, 2007 5:53 PM:So, the next time of many times that some lefty on this blog slams Christians in their stereotypical manner, can we expect you to come to Christians' defense?

Alf wrote on Jun 28, 2007 6:03 PM:"Ron", this question is for you and anyone who cares to comment. Are the Executive Branch and The Cheney Branch of the Government above the United States Constitution? More to the point, Is anyone, ANYONE above the Supreme Law of the Land aka The United States Constitution? If not, what are GWB and Cheney still doing in office? IMPEACH THEM BOTH, NOW! Then send them to the fighting in Iraq. Still an unabashed Libertarian, Alf.

From Democrat-Robert wrote on Jun 28, 2007 6:34 PM:Defeat of the Senate Immigration Bill is a return to common sense. Now the liberals might understand. Secure the borders first, remove employment and social service magnets and then and only then (if any illegals are left in town) fix the cumbersome legal means to enter the country. Great job Rep Bilbray I only wish you would take out our embarrassing US Senators they are both liberal morons.

No prob to Ron wrote on Jun 28, 2007 7:00 PM:Waxman gets on his nerves. Cheney shreds the Constitution. Equal. Here we have, for the millionth time, Ron defending illegal behavior by saying others do illegal things too, or in this case, annoying things. Come on, Ron, have some cojones for a change: do you approve of Cheney claiming he's not part of the administration? Do you approve of Bush returning subpoenas? Simple questions. C'mon, be a stand up guy and not a topic-changer for a change.

A Ron revelation wrote on Jun 28, 2007 7:38 PM:After months of insisting that he'll believe global warming when he can actually see it, Ron, at 4:57, now LOVES how science bit by bit accumulates data, and "It's like science, just because you can't see it now, in the future, the truth shall be revealed." Welcome to the 21st Century, Ron. Amazing how one's pet projects get respect when pet peeves get none, isn't it?

thewolf wrote on Jun 28, 2007 8:11 PM:I get a good laugh everyday from the impeachment koolaid drinkers. They cite lying as an impeachable offense-if true, not a single member of congress would be in office.

Alf wrote on Jun 28, 2007 9:30 PM:"thewolf" has a problem with "koolaid" but no problem with The Cheney and GWB violating the Constitution. Who scrambled his brains? Checks and balances are what make our government work. When anyone declares themselves above the law, THAT is the time to remove them. Still an unabashed Libertarian, Alf.

Liberal Christians to 5:53 wrote on Jun 29, 2007 1:59 PM:Most liberals that I know, including me, have no grudge against Christians. Until they try to insist that they deserve more than their freedom to worship in any way they please. They, like all people of any faith, must keep it out of politics and out of public life. The ACLU has defended Christians many, many times. But you seem to have missed the point of my earlier post: I was not talking about what liberals THINK of Christians, but of the fact that there have been, and are, many Christian liberals. It's a great and proud tradition.