Vigilante wrote on Nov 3, 2006 10:16 PM:Websters: n. A member of a committee of alert watchfulness. I note that the word vigil is closely related. Vigilantes are those who hold vigils. El Grupo must be vigilantes because it held a vigil on October 3rd! http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/10/04/news/inland/2_01_5810_3_06.txt

Federal Supremacy and Actual Invasions wrote on Nov 3, 2006 10:26 PM:'No State shall, without the consent of Congress, . . . engage in War, unless actually invaded . . . .' US Constitution, Article I, Section 10. Escondido and California have been 'actually invaded'! Federal permission to address this actual invasion IS NOT NEEDED under an express provision of the US Constitution!

Frida wrote on Nov 3, 2006 10:32 PM: I knew this would happen. Escondido has made a HUGE mistake to pass this ordinance and I applaud the ACLU and others for standing up for the constitution and what's morally correct!

Skip wrote on Nov 3, 2006 10:52 PM: I complain constantly as to why the Mexican people are not fighting for their rights in their own country. I would have thought that the millions of illegals in this country would do something to help their countrymen. I find it appalling that protests in Mexico are subject to violence by the government, yet their people, while in the U.S. illegally, are encouraged to protest for rights they are not entitled to, and if violence was to occur--think what would happen-- ACLU, Latino activists, LaRaza and all organizations, lawyers and such would be screaming bloody murder. Why are these organizations here, instead of in Mexico where they belong? They say they want to help the people of Mexico, yet they do nothing for them in their homeland. They do everything for them here. It is ironic that we, the American Citizens, are trying so hard to fight this illegal invasion, while the illegals want nothing to do with the fight in their own country. They say that just by mass numbers they will overcome America. I say, just by mass numbers you can overcome your own country and change policies there

Federal Eviction wrote on Nov 3, 2006 11:00 PM:Why would a landlord file an unlawful detainer action when he could call the Border Patrol and have them start removal proceedings against the illegal alien? The landlord will have documentatition in hand, from the federal government, proving that an illegal alien is residing there. Hourly calls to the Border Patrol, and to Congressman Bilbary, should get the Feds moving. If the Feds allow the illegal alien to remain during the removal proceeding, then it is not harboring and the City will just need to live with it. That is assuming that the illegal alien will hang around after learning that the Border Patrol has been called! Highly Unlikely!

kc wrote on Nov 3, 2006 11:00 PM:Does this Garrett person really care about the obnoxiousness of this decision? He has no intention of enforcing it? He intends to just disregard the law? Wow. Perhaps the potential loss of revenue in his pocket is what made this decision particularly obnoxious to him. The concern for the illegals welfare is not as important as the spin suggests. Tell the guy to smile, he always looks so pissed off in his photos. Relax buddy. Life goes on.

Slavery? wrote on Nov 3, 2006 11:27 PM:Roy Garrett implies that illegals can now be compared to slaves with his use of the word "plantation"? What a dispicable opportunist. He should have charges of aiding and abetting filed against him and the illegal mothers should be deported. See how easy that was? This suit is just one more hurdle on the way to a legally "clean" ordinance that will be able to be repeated across the nation. Escondido has teeth while it's surrounding neighbors are still gumming their oatmeal while safely watching from a distance for the obvious outcome. Someone had to jump in first. We all owe Escondido a debt of gratitude for willfully entering the fight. I love it when the opposition sounds so desperate. I smell victory

Harboring Is A Federal Crime wrote on Nov 3, 2006 11:31 PM:Now that the ACLU has recognized that the Federal Government should enforce the immigration laws, and now that Congressman Bilbray supports the Rental Ban, we need to get the attention and action of U.S. Attorney Carol C. Lam. She needs to know that the community will no long accept Federal negligence and incompetence! Her contact information is at the following link: www.usdoj.gov/usao/cas/

Skip wrote on Nov 4, 2006 12:35 AM:Here comes the ACLU. The most unamerican Group I have ever delt with. One of these days they are going to loose, and it will cost them. More and more people want illegal Immigration stopped. The only rights illegal Aliens should have is the right to a quick deportation.

Gary wrote on Nov 4, 2006 12:53 AM:It's the responsibility of our elected politicians and their surrogates in law enforcement to deal with this, but they are held hostage by fear. Hispanics are a very strong voting block, especially here in Southern California, and they are afraid of being voted out of office. Never mind that those here legally want illegals curtailed as much as any other american citizen. We're dealing with a political dichotomy here. Hispanic leaders want the illegals here, where the hispanics themselves do not. If the politicians listened to their actual constituents instead of their supposed leaders, the problem could get dealt with

Skip wrote on Nov 4, 2006 12:54 AM:Since when is following the Constitution (which ACLU always does) a unAmerican thing? You got backwards thinking my friend. You should be thanking the ACLU for standing up for our constitution. You forget that even the constitution protects anyone setting foot on US soil. Read it.

Question? wrote on Nov 4, 2006 1:42 AM:Do bloggers "Skip", "Vigilante" and "Federal Supremecy and Actual Invasion" live in Escondido? And have any of these three been one of the volunteers who offered to help pay for the lawsuit? If so...I am wondering when you are going to send the City your check for $375/hr for their fancy lawyer (retained to defend the ordinance - BTW, why isn't Epp defending the ordinance for the City?). Escondido is going to spend big bucks to defend this ordinance. It would have been better to raise some serious cain with our state reps to push federal officials to enforce our immigration laws and to secure the border. Waldron jumped on the bandwagon and has used illegal immigration as a means to get re-elected - no doubt about it! One more question...Do the three previously identified bloggers write our state and federal officials with their concerns of the "invasion" of illegal immigrants?

Incredulous wrote on Nov 4, 2006 4:16 AM:Roy Garrett is a legend in his own mind. Why didn't he run for mayor of Escondido if he thought that he was clever enough to decide what is best for the whole city. From what I hear, National City is the illegal sanctuary and slum lords' paradise. In consideration of his viewpoint and blood pressure, I think that he would feel more at home there.

Incredulous wrote on Nov 4, 2006 4:18 AM:Roy Garrett is a legend in his own mind. Why didn't he run for mayor of Escondido if he thought that he was clever enough to decide what is best for the whole city? From what I hear, National City is the illegal sanctuary and slum lords' paradise. In consideration of his viewpoint and blood pressure, I think that he would feel more at home there. Note to Ray, please go away.

El Guero wrote on Nov 4, 2006 4:41 AM:The lawsuit was filed on behalf of two slumlords, and 'two anonymous women who live in the country illegally, have children who are U.S. citizens and say their families would be displaced if the measure is enforced.' That's the whole point, so let's get on with it!

Harry wrote on Nov 4, 2006 5:13 AM:"To hire those folks and use their labor and accept their product and then tell them they can't live on the plantation is 100 percent immoral" ..... I remember the deep south, rural Alabama back in the 1960's. Black women worked as 'domestics" in white homes for less than $15 a week. They had to arrive in the early morning to cook and serve breakfast, get the children off to school, clean, wash+iron, and baby sit any pre-school aged,bake and cook and serve supper and clean up after supper--before they could go home to see how their own children and families were making out. Some of these ladies weren't allowed to use the indoor bathroom facilities or to eat in the house....Escondido hasn't come far from those hateful and racist times. If you don't want to have poor people come to your town to live, don't hire so many to pick your avocados, build your houses, dig your ditches, maintain your developments, clean your houses, wash your windows, watch your children, cook your food and clean your trash and grow your gardens and mow your lawns and wash your cars. "Everybody's got to be some place." I don't support illegal entry into the United States, but I fault American employers, a failed immigration policy that doesnt secure the border, allow for legal guest workers and mandate adequate housing and benefits for workers.

Harry wrote on Nov 4, 2006 5:19 AM:Skip, Mexico just elected a President and like the first Bush election, it was so close, dispite fraud, tht it had to be decided by the courts. The loser was the populist Mayor of Mexico City who would have addressed the poverty and inequites that gives 90% of the land and wealth to less than 10% of the people. The United States was quick to recognize the President who would protect American corporate interests and the ruling elite and maintain the conditions that fuel the economic refugees into America. Why? In the Ukraine we insisted or new elections after their's led to a pro Soviet, anti western President being put in power.

Maggie wrote on Nov 4, 2006 5:21 AM:God Bless the American Civil Liberties Union. We owe them so much for watching out for all of our freedoms. They have done more to maintain and protect our freedom than any army since the American Revolution. They are ever vigelent, non-partisan and brilliant!

Harold wrote on Nov 4, 2006 6:10 AM: Constitution of the United States,Amendment 10. 'The powers not deligated to the United States by the Constitution nor prohibited by it to the States,are reserved to the States respectivly, or to the people.' Taking this case to Federal court effectivly repeals this amendment by Judicial activism

To Frida wrote on Nov 4, 2006 6:26 AM:Who DIDN'T know this was going to happen? Of course people are going to defend themselves when they feel threatened. Just like we are defending ourselves from masses of people who wave foreign flags and shout about "reclaiming" California. Not to worry. Even if the ordinance gets hung up, it looks like Escondido already has plans B and C in the works. Code enforcements, sweeps, checkpoints are swinging into full gear!

To Skip wrote on Nov 4, 2006 6:38 AM:The most un-American group out there really is the AMERICAN EMPLOYER, they are the ones that make it possible for illegal aliens to live here. It's time for real patriotic Americans to start turning-in these illegal employers!

???????? wrote on Nov 4, 2006 6:49 AM:If this is overturned, then doesn't that effect the law of "Employers are not to hire Illegals". that means K-Mart, Wal-mart. Ralphs, Albertsons and so on can hire whom ever they want with no concern with the 'legal right to work laws'? Folks we're not just loosing the war overseas, we're loosing the war here at home..

El Guero wrote on Nov 4, 2006 6:51 AM:Oh Harry, I've got your 'hateful and racist times.' The U.S. civil rights struggle was about winning equality for and securing the civil rights of U.S. citizens. What we've got here are foreign nationals who have (massively) violated our laws with the help of U.S. citizens who want to use them as slave labor. Why can't you see that the two situations are in no way alike? And don't give us this garbage about 'going after the employer.' When Vista passed its day-labor hiring ordinance in which potential employers were simply required to register with the city, all you illegal-loving bleeding hearts came unglued and accused the city of discrimination.

El Guero wrote on Nov 4, 2006 6:57 AM:Since Roy Garrett has a horse in this race ('I don't ask what their legal status is when I rent to people and I won't ever ask'), why not make him the first slumlord cited under the ordinance?

Skip wrote on Nov 4, 2006 7:27 AM:The AMERICAN EMPLOYER is getting away with this crime of hiring Illegal Aliens because our AMERICAN GOVERNMENT is not securing our borders or enforcing our laws. The State says it is a Federal problem, and the fed's are doing too little. Now it has become a people problem and action is being undertaken at a city level and a people level. The cities are bearing the financial burden of supporting an illegal class of people, and that ultimately comes down on the taxpayers, and degrades their quality of life. Remember how nicely the city and state ran during the illegal Alien day of May 1, 2006?

Greg in Oceanside wrote on Nov 4, 2006 7:54 AM:The ACLU can challenge all they want. There's going to be challenges against the ACLU's challenge, and the legal battles will rage. But the bottom line is/will be: illegal aliens have long worn out any welcome that may have existed and citizens are completely fed up with the invasions and degredation of our communities. What is thoroughly sickening about the ACLU is that they continue to be advocates for rights for illegal aliens, who by definition have committed a crime and are criminals. I'm sorry, but I couldn't go to bed at night knowing that I'm defending criminal behavior.

loss of humanity wrote on Nov 4, 2006 7:54 AM:all of you racists have lost your humanity and basic sense of dignity - much like you are trying desperately to do to the Mexican migrants who are simply seeking a better life for themselves and their families much like many of your ancestors did. I don't think reality really matters to most of you however, as you are too busy foaming at the mouth and rattling your swords. It is a pity, it is pathetic and it is downright embarrassing right now to be "American".

Momo wrote on Nov 4, 2006 7:56 AM:Some of these responses say that Bilbray will do something about this issue ... just keep waiting. This issue is just politically convenient to him. Besides this is a court case and Bilbray can't rig a court trial that I know of. Carol Lam will steer clear away of this too, there is a similiar case and ordinance in another state and its not looking to good for them. Just wasting more money that the city doesn't have.

Eddie wrote on Nov 4, 2006 7:58 AM:I see a bunch or racist and ignorant comments on here and it makes me laugh. But here are my favorite's:'No State shall, without the consent of Congress, . . . engage in War, unless actually invaded . . . .' US Constitution, Article I, Section 10. Escondido and California have been 'actually invaded'! Federal permission to address this actual invasion IS NOT NEEDED under an express provision of the US Constitution!" Please can't YOU read you still need the permission of congress, and you haven't got it. Then you have this comment: I complain constantly as to why the Mexican people are not fighting for their rights in their own country. I would have thought that the millions of illegals in this country would do something to help their countrymen. I find it appalling that protests in Mexico are subject to violence by the government, yet their people, while in the U.S. illegally, are encouraged to protest for rights they are not entitled to, and if violence was to occur--think what would happen-- ACLU, Latino activists, LaRaza and all organizations, lawyers and such would be screaming bloody murder. Why are these organizations here, instead of in Mexico where they belong? First as you point out there are people proesting for change in Mexico and if you didn't know many civil rights groups here aid and help groups trying to create change in Mexico. But it is hard when you have the American government helping the Mexican eliete to stay in power as they do in the rest of Latin America. Its also the US that pushed NAFTA and is trying to pass another so called fair-trade agreement with other Latin American countries that will make them even worse off forcing more people to come to the US looking for work, food, ect. 2nd, The groups are helping to preserve democracy, liberty, and the consitution. It's funny alll of you mad at the ACLU, the same group who'll defend your right to call a Mexican qa spic and the retired SDSU professor's right to use the school email to work with the Minutemen. 3rd, please these poeple wish they could return to Mexico. But they can't; their jobs are gone through NAFTA, are government supplies their government with military funding and weapons - they dont have that, so how are they going to change things there. It's not like any of you anti-illegal crowd wanted the leftist who ran for President to win. The undocumented here are simply trying to take of their families. Their families will have nothing if they die in a bloody revolution because for now that's the only way things are going to change in Mexico.

to Skip wrote on Nov 4, 2006 8:02 AM:I agree, Skip, and to that end I think we should put a new spin on this disaster and go after the Americans who are making it so accommodating to work here. I would like to see how a little reverse discrimination suits all these fat, lazy, armchair "warriors" who can sit in their comfy computer chairs and moan away. We need real solutions and I think a good old fashion witch hunt of these treasonous employers is the best bet yet. Then all the whiners can get off their duffs and go and clean their own yards and do all the back breaking work they condemn the migrant workers for happily completing for them.

Robert24 wrote on Nov 4, 2006 8:12 AM:To "Question?"; Go ahead and add me to the group of Skip, Vigilante, etc. in your question, and I will provide you the answer. I will gladly pay the $375.00 an hour to rid this Country of the costs which are far greater than the lawyers fees that may be required to get our Country back. Are you kidding with your question? Do the math; If the lawyer charges $375 an hour for a 40 hour week, times 52 weeks in a year, the cost would be $780,000.00. We spend more than that a year in just schooling and feeding the illegals, not to mention health care costs, WIC, uninsured motorist, etc. Do I need to go on? The impact and burden of the illegal alien far outweighs ANY argument that you can come up with for allowing this illegal activity to continue. As soon as folks like you, Harry, Mr. Garrett, and David Blair-Loy start housing, feeding, and caring for these "poor hard working people", and putting your money where your mouth is, the sooner you can quit sympathizing and understand why the rest of us are supporting an ordinance that should never have had to happen. Stay the course, Escondido. Nothing worth fighting for was never easy, and it won't be any different this time.

Elizabeth wrote on Nov 4, 2006 8:22 AM:Make mexico a state in the united states and force them to speak english -- theres an idea (never said it was a good one but maybe it would get the whinners to shut up for 2 min)

Only the beginning: wrote on Nov 4, 2006 8:29 AM:This will bankrupt the city.

Home Inspector wrote on Nov 4, 2006 8:38 AM:As a home inspector from the border to LA I have seen what many landlords that rent to illegal immigrants do. Wall to wall mattresses, single family homes turned into apartment style rentals, including the garage. Grandma living in the heater room. Ovens/broilers used for storage with flammable materials in them. Cars parked anywhere they can fit them. Gangs taking over the neighborhoods. What really gets me is when I see this happening in a more expensive neighborhood. If you know of a household with multiple people living in it you can report it to City Code Enforcement. I applaud the Three Council Members in Escondido for trying to do something about the influx of illegals and the landlords that are taking advantage of the situation. The landlords should be fined heavily for allowing single family homes to be used illegally. They are slumlords. Many of them buy a place that's ready to fall apart and do little to nothing to fix it up because they plan on renting to illegal immigrants. Thank you Congressman Bilbray for all you have been doing to try to stem the flow of illegal immigrants when Busby is for Comprehensive Immigration Reform, which we see as amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Concerned American wrote on Nov 4, 2006 8:51 AM:If employers', businesses',etc;, are banned from employing undockumented immigrants, why shouldn't landlords'? Illegal is illegal period, isn't?

fedup wrote on Nov 4, 2006 8:56 AM:The ACLU needs to add another letter to their name! A-ACLU.....ANTI-American Civil Liberties Union. These are some of the most dense people who don't understand that ILLEGAL Aliens don't have the same rights as legal US residents.

Just a Thought wrote on Nov 4, 2006 8:58 AM:Shouldn't be illegal to rent to them but landlords must notify authorities and then let them deal with the illegalities.

Escondido Resident wrote on Nov 4, 2006 9:01 AM:This is the "Escondido Lawyer Reimployment Act of 2006." What a waste of MY money.

Reardon wrote on Nov 4, 2006 9:05 AM:The Rental Ban is not just illegal according to the ACLU and their supporters, but inhumane as well because it is inhumane to deny shelter to human beings. Perhaps we can get the ACLU and their supporters to participate in an ad hoc Adopt a Familia plan, where they take in a displaced family into their spare bedrooms, pay the $10,000 per child schooling costs and place the family on their medical plans. No rent, no rental ban. Escondido doesn't need criticism, it needs help, and the ACLU and supporters can provide that help and take the burden from the taxpayers. The ACLU and supporters can show the world what leadership is by Adopting a Familia! A Win-Win!

common sense wrote on Nov 4, 2006 9:13 AM:How can anyone that knows anything about our history link slavery to ILLEGAL aliens. Slaves were forced to come here, work for no pay and could not leave. Illegals broke our laws when they illegally slipped across the border. They are free to go back to their Country, and should be deported if they don't. Besides the rental ban there should be huge fines for illegal employers. The ACLU should, along with the illegal protesters all go to Mexico and fight for their rights, and against their corrupt government. The ACLU needs to protect American Citizens against all Bush's attacks on our freedoms. The Mclu can protect the people in Mexico. Bush and the Republican neocons are responsible for the illegal problem. Vote Democrat!

Al wrote on Nov 4, 2006 9:23 AM:The time and money that these insane ILLEGAL rights groups spend here should be directed at thier own country government of Mexico, not the USA. Our laws are way too lax in this country. Imagine any other country you can take up residency ILLEGALY, protest in a foreign language, wave another country's flag while calling the LEGAL citizens racists! Thse ILLEAGL's are totally insane an abusing my country! Get out of here.

Rosa wrote on Nov 4, 2006 9:33 AM:I'm surprised it's not the illegal aliens suing us in our own country...AGAIN!

anayeli wrote on Nov 4, 2006 9:46 AM:Quoting President Fox, "We are already a step ahead, having been born in Mexico. Imagine being born in the United States oof!" Fox said Tuesday wiht a chuckle...

mariah wrote on Nov 4, 2006 9:57 AM:if they are here illegally, they have broke the law of United States of America, they have no rights not to work or live here. no green card no work simple as that. after all i am a citizen of this country. i must obey laws as everyone else does. they are not special ppl they are crimnals. illegally entry over borders makes them illegal aliens . sent them home

Reardon wrote on Nov 4, 2006 10:15 AM:The Rental Ban is not just illegal according to the ACLU and their supporters, but inhumane as well because it is inhumane to deny shelter to human beings. Perhaps we can get the ACLU and their supporters to participate in an ad hoc Adopt a Familia plan, where they take in a displaced family into their spare bedrooms, pay the $10,000 per child per year schooling costs and place the family on their medical plans. No rent, no rental ban. Escondido doesn't need criticism, it needs help, and the ACLU and supporters can provide that help and take the burden from the taxpayers. The ACLU and supporters can show the world what leadership is by Adopting a Familia! A Win-Win! Step right up!

To Question from Actual Invasion wrote on Nov 4, 2006 10:48 AM:Yes, I live in Escondido. Let me tell you about the effect of illegal immgration on the peace of my home. I have had illegal aliens sleeping and defecating in my bushes of my yard. Three times in the last six months. Last month, my teenage daughter came out of the shower and told me 'they' were back. My wife and I spent much of our spare time for two weeks tearing out our landscaping on that side of the house. Now it looks awful, but our safety is more important. Last year, the house next to mine had seven vehicles, many illegally parked in the yard. And then there is the music. This is the worst. It is used as a munition! The bass is so loud, it cannot be ignored. It lasts until the early morning hours. We call the police, they come, and a bit later, the music returns. I have video. I have pictures. I have neighbors who can confirm all of this. And yes, I have written my elected officials. I asked Bilbray if he supported this ordinance LAST July when it was announced. Have you seen any 'Where's Bilbray' posts in last three months? I wrote those, and I was delighted to see him at the 'You Don't Speak For Me' rally in front of Escondido's City Hall yesterday. Bilbray came out in support of the ordinance last Monday and he has my vote on Tuesday! I pay alot in taxes. And yes, I will donate to help cover the legal fees needed to address the illegal immigration problem! Any more questions?

Freddy wrote on Nov 4, 2006 11:08 AM:America! We still have some freedoms that are exciting to see at work. The freedom of the press, the freedom to express our opinions. the freedom to live free. I do see that the illegals are the current slaves to America. And the solution is a knotty one(entendre); but it does need to be addressed. And our Federralies (sp?) seem to take litle responsiblity outside of their air-conditioned offices with the leather vibrating recliners.

Real American wrote on Nov 4, 2006 11:43 AM:Some people here complain about illegal’s coming to the US as some people complain about the illegal drugs coming from Mexico and other countries, but still consume the drugs in their own homes….. What part of supply and demand don’t you understand?

Suggestion wrote on Nov 4, 2006 11:47 AM:Mr. Garrett: Since you are in support of having illegals as tenants then why don't you move in next to them, pay for their free services, & watch them pee off your balcony? I say Mr. Garrett needs to be the first landlord cited for announcing he will not be enforcing the new ordenance.

No Link To Negative Effects? wrote on Nov 4, 2006 12:00 PM:The ACLU is asking the court to invalidate Escondido's claim that 'illegal aliens' contribute to higher crime rates, do not report substandard housing conditions, and overcrowd dwelling units. What a waste of the court's time. The Judge should take Judicial Notice that the City's claims are true. A quick internet search brings up numerous articles linking illegal immigration to increased crime (particularly sexual assault and slavery of immigrant women, human trafficing, gangs, and illegal employeement crimes), reluctance to report code violations, and shocking numbers of illegal aliens found in dwelling units. The House of Representatives of Congress took testimony all summer and received ample evidence of the negative effects of illegal immigration on the health, safety and welfare of the community.

Skip wrote on Nov 4, 2006 12:14 PM:"Nice well thought out reply Eddie", but here is where you fail. Illegal aliens are coming, and coming, and coming. Tomorrow, the next day, the next month, and there is no end in sight. At what point, as we, as Americans can say enough is enough. How many poor ignorant people can we absorb, tolerate, and support. And why do you think Mexico owns the book on Illegal Immigration. After the Hispanics, the Chinese make up the largest population of Illegal Aliens in the United States. The Chinese are very quiet and low key. You don't see them marching in big parades and flying the Chinese Flag, because they know that if they are deported it is a one way trip forever. The average price the Chinese pay to be smuggled into the United States is $18,000, so they are not going to protest and blow their cover. Then there are the Indians, Russians, and Middle Easterners. They are coming too, and a lot of them are crossing our porous border with Mexico. If it was up to me I would declare everyone already in this country a winner, and let them stay! But I would close the Borders tight and get a control on Immigration before I would let anyone else immigrate to this country. Like I said there are millions and millions of people who want to come here for a better life, We as United States Citizens should be able to pass laws so that immigration is to our benefit, and does not continue to be the social burden that it has become.

To common sense ; wrote on Nov 4, 2006 12:17 PM:You know you analogy is good; it reminds me of another silly analogy: Comparing the United Sates Border Fence, to the Berlin Wall.

What a Mess wrote on Nov 4, 2006 12:25 PM:Illegal immigration in California has become quite the hot button issue this election year. As a former Escondido resident, I'm glad I now live in a place where illegal immigration is practically non-existent. California used to be a pretty nice place to live a while back, but why would anyone want to live there these days? Good luck, folks.

El Guero to Eddie wrote on Nov 4, 2006 12:31 PM:Thanks for putting all your cards on the table. If I held your hand I would fold. The comments by other contributors you try to hold up to ridicule are all substantive and credible (except to an ignorant, self-serving cadre of illegal immigrants and their handlers). I'll surprise you by saying you're right about the U.S. government helping Mexico's ruling elite stay in power. They're the main problem. But you fail to see that beyond trade and business policy, the U.S, has very little leverage over the government of Mexico. The truth is that even without NAFTA, Mexicans would be migrating to the United States in record numbers because Mexico's ruling elite (who just love to do business with America's ruling elite) are not subject to the same laws we have in los Estados Unidos. American citizens aren't responsible for Mexico's misfortunes. It's up to Mexicans (like you?) to implement change in Mexico and stop blaming Americans for your problems. (By the way, I was--and am--completely supportive of AMLO. The nullification of his accession to power is also a Mexican--not an American--disgraceful shortcoming.)

Greg to Loss of Humanity wrote on Nov 4, 2006 1:16 PM:Something I think 'loss of humanity' doesn't understand; the illegal aliens may be trying to better their lives, but they're doing this at taxpayer expense! I'm sorry, but there are too many tax-paying citizens who deserve our resources, not someone from another country who has yet to pay their dues. And if you're ashamed to be an American, I have plenty of places you can go, like MEXICO, Iraq, Iran, North Korea, China, Sudan, Somolia, Congo, Colombia, Brazil, Venezuela, and France. And when you get there don't bother to write. There have been too many fine Americans who have given their lives to make this country the place it is, than to have it ruined by the invaders who are degrading our quality of life and taking what doesn't belong to them.

M wrote on Nov 4, 2006 3:16 PM:Harry has really hit upon a point. The root of this issue lies with lazy, cheap, greedy Americans who want to be waited on hand and foot, avoid manual labor and take advantage of underpaid "worker bees". Why do middle class or upper middle class people need a housekeeper, a gardener, a baby sitter, etc. Get off your butts and do the work yourselves! When I was growing up in California in the 60's in a middle class home in the suburbs of San Jose, Dad, Mom and the kids did the housework, laundry, mowed the lawn, and so forth. Any company that obviously employs large numbers of undocumented workers - e.g. Calloway, Tyson, east LA clothing mfg.'s, homebuilders, etc. should be shuttered and siezed by the govt. Forget about trying and jailing the owners - it is too expensive. Just shut the darn business down, sieze and sell the assets to pay for the cost of enforcement and such things as unreimbursed medical care (just like we do with vehicles used for illegal purposes, or drug dealers homes, etc). We need to really look in a mirror here and realize that collectively we brought about this problem and it is up to us to solve it now that the time has come to pay the piper.

I agree wrote on Nov 4, 2006 3:34 PM:Some American Citizens are part of the problem. Stop using drugs, you are breaking the law and supporting slimy drug dealers. If you need help try to hire a teenager, go to hire a legal resident hire a citizen. There are people who want to earn extra money. I hired Americans to do my landscaping,, and I have a citizen that does my yard work. I do my own housework and when I need help I do not hire an illegal.

To fed up wrote on Nov 4, 2006 3:49 PM:The ACLU is so totally wrong on illegals. We should all write, email and call them as often as possible until they hear us. We should also do the same to El Presidente Jorge Bush and tell him to call his friend Fox to insist he take control of Mexico and his people. Then close the border.

Fran wrote on Nov 4, 2006 3:56 PM:The US has done enough for Mexico and they are rewarding us by breaking our laws. Where we should be directing our humane resouces is Darfur. They are experiencing the most tragic calamity I have ever seen. Little children and babies are dying alone on the streets. They are dying of starvation. This is outrageous. The Bush Administration is spending billions in Iraq when that money and our military could have saved countless lives.

Escondido Resident wrote on Nov 4, 2006 4:20 PM:Thanks Escondido for getting us on your "stupid crusade"....now its gonna cost us the tax payer lots of money to defend a worthless law...

From a Democrat wrote on Nov 4, 2006 4:22 PM:Clearly our Nation has many pressing issues, but locally there is no greater issue than confronting illegal immigration head on!!! As a life long democrat its clear my party is out of touch with the needs of our community!! The security danger and financial damage can no longer be ingored. I fully support Rep Bilbray and any other politician that will always be a pitbull to stop illegals and make them get in line or get out!!!

To Skip wrote on Nov 4, 2006 4:54 PM:You just don't get it, we don't need a wall. We need employers that obey the law, if they do there is NO financial incentive for illegals to come here. Enough said.

To Robert24 from Question wrote on Nov 4, 2006 5:05 PM:Happy to hear that you “will gladly pay the 375.00 an hour” for the City of Escondido’s lawyer. However, you are mistaken if you think that this ordinance and the city’s defense of such is going to “get our Country back”. We haven’t lost our country. What we have lost is enforcement of our existing laws. In order for the rampant illegal immigration to cease/decrease, the Federal Government will need to pull its head out of the sand and its hand out of the cookie jar and DO ITS JOB. We need more Border Patrol Agents! We need to enforce penalties against employers that hire illegal immigrants! That is reality! I have another question...how much do we spend on illegal immigrants here in Escondido? All criminals (whether they are illegal immigrants, bank robbers, rapists, murderers or thieves) are a drain on society. Robert24, Thank you for your response, I agree that illegal immigrants are a burden - but I disagree that this ordinance is the answer to our woes. Oh Yeah, I forgot to tell you about this caucasian couple from Oklahoma who have lived in Escondido for many many years...well, they have a vehicle in their garage that still has Oklahoma license plates, with current tags. Now, isn't that illegal - to be a resident in one state and have a vehicle registered in another state. Do you suppose that is some kind of fast move on the part of the caucasian couple?

El Guero wrote on Nov 4, 2006 5:29 PM:Ohhh, c'mon now, Escondido Resident, you wont have to pay lots a money to defend a worthless law. You jist sit n bear it and everythin ul be OK.

To Actual Invasion from Question wrote on Nov 4, 2006 5:34 PM:Thank you for your response and thank you for not judging me by my previous inquiry/blog. I hear what you are saying and I understand your position. The troubles that you and your family are living with are totally unacceptable. I respect you for taking a stand and speaking out. After having read your reply and processing such, I have more questions. Do you think the police are doing everything they can to protect your rights? Are your neighbors being cited for noise ordinance violations? or parking violations? Or indecent exposure (or something to address the “outhouse” issues)? Is Escondido’s Code Enforcement division addressing the violations? I am also curious how you have established that your neighbors are illegal immigrants. How do you know that they are not legal residents (with really bad manners and habits)? I am sorry to hear that you and your family have been/are being subjected to these unacceptable behaviors. Once again, I understand your position and very much appreciate your response (free of personal attacks against me). You are a citizen that speaks out and stands up – one that participates. I totally respect that. Your contact with state and federal officials, show the depth of your concerns (from the negative impacts of illegal immigrants). I sincerely hope that the federal government beefs up border security – I think that’s the first step to combating the “invasion”.

To : To Skip wrote on Nov 4, 2006 5:52 PM:We need a barrier! It has been said that it is better to be UNEMPLOYED in this country, then to be employed in the countries that they come from. Even if we have "Comprehensive Immigration Reform", and we meet our quotas on workers, what is to stop the millions of other immigrants from coming anyway. If everyone keeps saying that the fence, or wall, will not work, then why is Mexico and the rest of South America making such a fuss. Remember for your plan to work the employers and the immigrants must obey our laws. Yeah right.

To Question : wrote on Nov 4, 2006 5:56 PM:RE: couple from Oklahoma who have lived in Escondido for many many years with Oklahoma license plates >>> It is leagl if one of them is Active Duty Military

Harry wrote on Nov 4, 2006 6:55 PM:Thank You M; You get it! And America, stop smoking pot, America isnt just addicted to oil; the pot and meth from Mexico and the heroin from afganistan fuels their illegal economies and the terrorists.

Carmen wrote on Nov 4, 2006 7:24 PM:I'm tired of listening to ignorant and hateful handfull of people. First of all I don't want to hear of how mexicans need to protest in their own country. You guys seem to forget that this is our country. I'm a citizen of the United States and I keep getting treated like I'm not. Why don't you guys start thanking all the Latinos men and women in our military, instead of making them feel like they are not Americans. Stop preaching hate, because I really believe in the people of Escondido and I know they will choose the Right on Nov 7th. Please teach compasion and understanding towards others. Thank You!

To Carmen: wrote on Nov 4, 2006 7:37 PM:You are not listening. This is not about Mexicans, It is about Illegal Aliens. Mexicans only make up about 56% of the Illegal Aliens in the United States.

Carmen wrote on Nov 4, 2006 7:39 PM:Mr.Garrett, I want to thank you for standing up for what is right. This country has been dealing with this issue for more than 100 years and it is obvious that we need undocumented workers in this country. Waldron and her two puppets keep forgetting about how Escondido was built. Nobody knows how many undocumented residents we have here, but they just want to label all mexicans and blame everything on them. I'm latina and I'm an American and it's very hard to be proud of it when I keep getting treated like I'm undocumented. Mr.Garrett please stay strong and god bless you and I'm behind you all the way. To all the haters, please show compassion and understanding because I believe in Karma.

To "To Question" wrote on Nov 4, 2006 7:54 PM:Yes, I am aware that it is legal, IF the person(s) are active duty (having been in the Air Force, myself). However, this is a retired couple and as far as I can tell they are committing a crime by not registering their vehicle in their state of permanent residency.

Ruben wrote on Nov 4, 2006 7:59 PM:I will pay to overthrow this illegal law and I say to hispanics you will be targeted by these bigots. I'm an American hispanic and these comments are bigoted. They never wanted blacks here or hispanics their just using this law to show their true colors. Legal they don't care about legal they just want all color to leave period. These are the types that killed Jews, these are the types that made blacks slaves, and massacred Indians and broke all their legal treaties. Racism is alive and revived by this ordinance! Call them on me maybe I'm illegal who knows???

go home wrote on Nov 4, 2006 8:16 PM:it is not inhumane to deny them shelter, because in MEXICO they have plenty of shelter go home, and this is AMERICA we have rights they dont, get out save our country

WHO CARES WHO I AM wrote on Nov 4, 2006 8:19 PM:why is it that when an actual u.s citizen needs help we can get it but if your illegal they give you what ever you want i hope that bill passes go home where you belong and maybe if there were no more illegals we would have more homes and jobs and what the heck are they thinking fly there flag on our land go home and do that not here ill burn it

Adam wrote on Nov 4, 2006 8:20 PM:It would not surprise me that when the ACLU, El Grupo, and the La Raza find out about this blog, that they will try to shut it down too. Remember if you do not have a good rebuttal for the pitfalls of illegal Immigration and its effects, just keep yelling "Racist", "Xenophobe" and "Vigilante". Although I don't think most Americans are falling for it anymore.

Robert24 wrote on Nov 4, 2006 8:54 PM:Hey, Ruben; last call, buddy. I think you are way over the legal limit, especially if you aren't sober enough to see that this has nothing to do with any race, but everything to do with illegal activity. Maybe the beer goggles have gotten to your rationale, 'cuz I don't see anything here about anybody wanting to get rid of Blacks, Hispanics, Indians or anything else; just illegals. Maybe one more cerveza will put you out, and when you wake up you'll be able to think clearly again........ Night, night, Ruben; sweet dreams.......

JJ wrote on Nov 4, 2006 10:39 PM:As a landlord, I'm used to taking on more and more responsibilities. Already I collect taxes from my employees, withhold pay for tax liens, late child support, and court-ordered judgments. I protect my tenants from second hand smoke, warn them of child predators living nearby, caution them against ingesting portions of their residence which may cause cancer, and I monitor their activity for illegal drug use and gang activity. No problem on adding the immigration enforcement, just tell me how the city of Escondido will be verifying citizenship so I can be sure to comply.

Business Enforcers Wanted wrote on Nov 4, 2006 11:05 PM:I think Escondido's got something here. Now if we can just get other businesses on board. How about grocery stores? Illegals have got to eat. Make it illegal to sell them stuff. And municipalities. Hold the cities and CA liable if non-citizens drive on their roads. And fine the movie theatres if they let illegals in... double the fine if they let 'em buy popcorn!

To Question From Actual Invasion wrote on Nov 4, 2006 11:59 PM:How do I know that the people are not legal residents? I do not have perfect knowledge. My judgment is based on cultural and economic clues. They speak only Spanish. This is a strong clue. They are not making use of the community's social welfare net. Since it is illegal for illegal aliens to receive benefits, this is a strong clue. They do not have sponsors. Legal immigrants are required to have sponsors who are required to care for the legal immigrant if the immigrant encounters economic hardships. It is not unreasonable to ask a suspected illegal immigrant to verify citizenship. Yes, I have watched Cheech Marin's 'Born in East LA'. Mistakes can happen. But is moving out of the community the only option?

Jimbo to Carmen wrote on Nov 5, 2006 12:58 AM:First of all, this is not the country of illegals. This is our country if you are an American citizen. As you say you are, then you have the right to protest. But those who protest to bring amnesty to those who broke our laws don't really have the US interest in mind, do they? No. You as well as many other Latinos are of the mindset of sticking together to encourage illegal behavior at the expense of the US tax payers. The overwhelming majority of tax payers are sick and tired of paying for illegals and their children, whom by the way according to the original intent of Amendment 14 should not be citizens of the US. Read it. Abuse of our system will not be tolerated by Americans who have the US interest in mind. We are fed up with it. We are fed up with rising crime and poverty rates, as well as rising health costs. We are fed up the declining rates of our children's education, safety in our schools, and quality of neighborhoods. And last but not least, we are fed up with paying for all of this. You're right, nobody knows how many undocumented immigrants (illegal aliens) are here, how sad is that! What we do know are the effects that I described above. As you say, everyone wants to blame the Mexicans. No one WANTS to blame anyone. The obvious offenders cannot be ignored. And don't even start your "racist" name calling. I am a behaviorist. If someone doesn't behave in a manner where they pay their share, make an effort to stay out of trouble (gangs), make an effort to learn the language (ENGLISH!!!)so they can keep up in school, then I'm not accepting it, I don't care what color or creed they are! Keep on supporting illegals, and we'll see where this country is real soon.

Jimbo to Ruben wrote on Nov 5, 2006 1:17 AM:Who said anything about Hispanics? Most bloggers said illegal aliens. If Hispanics are the biggest offenders, then so be it. If the offenders were white, I'd say the same thing. THIS IS NOT A RACE ISSUE!!! Stop making it one! It is a matter of obeying the law and preserving our country. Yes, you heard that right. PRESERVING OUR COUNTRY. It's culture, ethic, and forward progress it has displayed in the past. I'm sure I'll be labeled as a racist or xenophobe for loving my country, but I guess that's the chance I take. The only words in the arsenal of those who have no argument. It is a matter of an ever increasing number of people being treated special while legitimate hard working tax payers have to pay. I don't care what race someone is, if they don't pay their fair share, and I have to take up the slack...I want them to leave. Especially if they are not here legitimately in the first place.

John wrote on Nov 5, 2006 6:58 AM:Hay Momo,this city has tons of money,Look at all those tax paying illeagel aliens that live here, What a joke.you know whow they are,those who line up in our emergency rooms for colds,those who stand in the assistance lines. ya,you know,

John wrote on Nov 5, 2006 7:16 AM:Hea JJ the landlord, heres how you do it legit. First ya have them fill out an application,secondly ya vaeify ther employment(just to make sure they can pay the rent),Third ,require three check stubs that show ther name and employee ID number(yes social security number),Make them list the tennents on ther application.( no tollerance on this one). Fourth ,ya make sure that they understand the portion of the houseing code that states occupancy levels,(none of that no comprendie crap).Do a Criminal background check? just frosting on the cake. Check for a credit report,if ther real they have a credit history .If you cant do this yourself, hire a PI or company to do it,Just add the cost to your processing fees.do all of the above,youll be alright.

Ruben wrote on Nov 5, 2006 7:35 AM:It is a racial issue it makes all hispanics suspect. Just because I speak spanish and am hispanic my color and the fact I speak spanish makes me a target. It's called racial profiling and that is exactly why this is an illegal law that can't or won't be enforced ever. I know many people in my line of work who don't even think of these people as human. It is immoral to throw someone out in the street when their children are Americans!!! What a waste of tax dollars and what a racist tactic!! The Bible says the greates law it to love God and the second love your neighbor, boy is this breaking that law big time!!

CHERIE wrote on Nov 5, 2006 8:06 AM:SIENCE THE ACLU WAS FOUNDED BY A KNOWN COMMUNIST, I REALLY THINK WE SHOULD DO AWAY WITH THE WHOLE LOT OF THEM. WHEN LA RAZA IS WORKING WITH BOTH OF THEM THAT IS A TELLING TALE!! LOL DO THEY THINK WE ARE STUPID! ANY AMERICAN THAT IS OF MEXICAN BLOOD SHOULD JOIN YOU DONT SPEAK FOR ME AND SHOW THESE TRADERS WHAT WE ARE MADE OF! AMERICA IS A COUNTRY OF IMMIGRANTS BUT WE ARE A COUNTRY OF LAW ALSO. I KNOW FOR A FACT READ IT THIS MORNING THAT MEXICO NEEDS 50,000 LABORERS NOW! SO, LETS SEND THEM SOUTH!

Reardon wrote on Nov 5, 2006 10:31 AM:Here is the truth – the U.S. has a sufficient number of illiterates, so we do not need to import more regardless of their color or nationality. We have a sufficient number of low-wage earners who do not pay taxes to cover their expenses, so we do not need to import more. Everyone seems to agree the classrooms are overcrowded for our own citizen children, so there is no need to import more children to add to the overcrowding. We have far too many unlicensed U.S. drivers without insurance, and there is no need to import more. We have long waiting lines in emergency rooms for our taxpaying, and indeed our own non-taxpaying citizens, so we do not need to import more. We have a sufficient number of citizen violent gang members, so we don'’ need to import more of those either. There are few enough U.S. citizen wagon-pullers, and far too many citizens sitting in the wagon, so we do not need to import wagon-sitters from anywhere. The Pew Research Center reported years ago that 70% of Mexico would live in the U.S. if they could, and no one knows what the % is of Central and South America, but whatever it is, is a number that we cannot absorb. Basta!

Miguel wrote on Nov 5, 2006 11:19 AM:If Harry and M believe this is really an issue of gardeners being enticed to America by people wanting their yards done, they have lost sight of the problem. This is an issue of people choosing to enter a country illegally and choosing to abuse the tax and social benefits system because they can, not because they need to. There is no doubt that those who employ these illegals are part of the problem but, why do they CHOOSE to disobey our laws? Why do they have no regard for the legal way to work here? Why do they feel they have the right to be here? Why do they CHOOSE to fraudulently use our social benefits and why do they steal SS numbers? They do not care how they accomplish their own needs, regardless of who they hurt, whose credit they ruin or whether their own children have to learn later of the deceitful, illegal way they gained their entry into the country. It is a lack of respect, a total disregard for our immigration and deportation system and a criminal act that now will be curbed. It should be criminally liable to aid or abet anyone here illegally. Human compassion stops at illegal entry, not at some moral evaluation of a criminal who does it for any reason. Our jails and prisons are full of those who "just did it for their family". I don't like thieves, liars, frauds or cheats and this Latino movement is asking us to do just that. It won't happen.

Alan wrote on Nov 5, 2006 11:55 AM:Poor Ruben. I have no compassion for someone who entered our country illegally and had their children here specifically to steal their way into our benefits and services. It is the same as asking me to RESPECT a bank robber for stealing a million dollars and getting away with it. Not going to happen. Coming to America illegally to work or to bear your children is NOT immigration, it is fraudulently gaining access to American benefits and subjecting your offspring to potentially being separated from the mother because of it. Those who want the birth/citizenship laws changed, the offenders punished and immigration policies obeyed are not the bad guys here. The bad guys are the ones who disregard our laws, defraud the system and steal entry into our country for any reason. There is NO excuse for disregarding our laws and immigration policies and personally, I'm tired of hearing the excuses, diatribe and banter trying to justify these criminal actions. I think the group that agrees with me is the majority of America, not the minority. To blame employers alone or anyone else for millions of illegals is wrong, the fault lies with those who tolerate it, commit it and condone it.

Josh wrote on Nov 5, 2006 1:32 PM: The ACLU is utilizing the plight of illegal aliens as a way to stay employed and rape the illegal aliens of any money that they could be contributing to the deficit that they are creating to our education and medical funds. It is my personal belief that people should be able to enter the country as long as they have followed the act of �Due Process.� Many agree that we should carry on the tradition of accepting people from other countries that are attempting to better themselves and the lives of their families. This should be congratulated instead of condemned; however, this process should be performed by the laws that are in place. Should a person willfully choose to enter this country illegally, they should not be allowed a voice for objection, be entitled to any such monetary, educational, or medical benefits that groups such as the ACLU are trying to establish. Hence the term Illegal alien; they have not followed the legal course of action, they do not pay taxes, they do not greatly impact the country in a positive way. Instead, they have become a burden to the American and Legal residents of this great nation. . Legal residents who do pay taxes and are here legally are not allowed to vote as they are not citizens. So, why an illegal person should be allowed a voice to protest, and seek legal representation when they cannot follow a simple legal requirement of Due Process is beyond me.

Jimbo to Ruben again wrote on Nov 5, 2006 1:41 PM:Ruben, for the last time it is not a race issue. It is a law breaker issue. If the breakers of the law are of a particular race, then that is not inside of anyone's control. I'm sorry to hear that you are being profiled. I agree that is wrong. This law is to protect the interests of legal contributers to the system. Illegals don't pay taxes, yet receive all kinds of benefits. Tax payers are tired of it. Tax payers are tired of crime in their neighborhoods brought on by illegal aliens. They want it stopped. It is their right. Just as in Mexico, such behavior would not be tolerated by foreigners of any sort. God never said you have to give your livelihood up to support ungrateful intruders. I believe that if they were good neighbors, people wouldn't be as upset. You say how this makes all the hispanics upset. Well, Americans are beyond upset at the abuse of our system brought on by illegal aliens. If the offenders are hispanic, who's fault is that? The law in question requires the landlords to send the information to a fed gov't database to determine legal status. It does not say to not rent to hispanics. Most landlords want to rent, so it would reason that they would still accept applications from anyone. Maybe instead of pointing the finger at legal concerned tax paying citizens who have children to raise, take a look at the behavior of those who have become unwelcome. Ask yourself,why? Why are they no longer welcome, and what they can do to be better neighbors. They are the guests here, not the owners. Sorry, but it's true. And don't give me the "but their kids are American citizens" line. Their kids shouldn't have been born here if they came here illegally. Furthermore, Amendment 14 was not intended to legalize children of illegal aliens. And where does their loyaly stand? With the US interest in mind? Doubt it. If it was, then those old enough to know what wass going on in this country would be American and protect this land from invaders. Their loyalty is to Mexico. Don't deny it.

Republicans, This Is Why You MUST Vote! wrote on Nov 5, 2006 2:39 PM:Immigration: Look, I'm honked off about Dubya's terrible handling of illegal aliens (they're not guest workers, darnit!). However, rep/con/tairs in the House were the ONLY thing that kept his "all-inclusive" bill about immigration "reform" being put into play. Instead, they forced the creation of a security first bill. Granted, it's only 700 miles, but that's a start compared to what the opposition would provide. Lib/dem/soc/commies actively encourage illegal aliens and will provide them with amnesty followed by citizenship, because 1) they figure they'll get their vote and 2) they further the creation of an underclass, which provides lib/dem/soc/commies with a powerbase. Allow them to come into power, and you can kiss the borders, your job, the English language and America's culture goodbye.

Ramona wrote on Nov 5, 2006 3:43 PM:The issue is Illegal immigrants. The key word “illegal”. Unless you are here because your human rights were abused in your country, then you shouldn’t have entered the US illegally. Remember Tiananmen Square protests of 1989? Lech Walesa lead Poland to freedom. The French had their Underground during WWII risking their lives for freedom. I could go on and on about people who have sacrificed and people who have died to change their country’s policies, etc. They didn’t come here because it was easy, they stayed and fought for change! Change doesn’t come easy, it is hard work, but it comes with being consistent. Central America needs change from corrupt politicians who take drug money and keep the majority of it’s people living in poverty. Are there not people who are capable of being moral and honest running for political office? There is such a large Hispanic population in America, that funds should be raised among themselves to finance a revolution. There is strength in numbers! Go back and Revolt!!!

Democrats, You can Vote To Secure Our Borders wrote on Nov 5, 2006 3:44 PM:Give your Leaders a wake-up call. Help vote to secure our Borders and stop ILLEGAL Immigration.

R. Michael wrote on Nov 5, 2006 5:32 PM:The ordinance is correct. Federal law provides severe penalties including prison for giving aid or comfort to any foregin national who is within the borders of the united states illegally. This would include providing housing,amnesty, financial aid, and possibly legal representation in civil court.

to greg wrote on Nov 5, 2006 5:46 PM:"the place that it is" says it all....

JulieF wrote on Nov 5, 2006 6:25 PM:“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies." – Groucho Marx

Donna wrote on Nov 5, 2006 8:35 PM:I am hearing alot of rhetoric that this debate is racist and the color of skin is more important than legal status. It is as if every American should just ignore this problem so as not to appear "racist" in some matter. Good Lord! Who cares what "color" one is when they enter this country illegally. It is illegal. End of story. We have existing laws that are not enforced. American people want them enforced. There is no crime in enforcing laws, but it is a crime when people from another country get to pick and choose which laws they wish to adhere. Renting to any illegal alien is against the law, as well as hiring them for employment and I agree that greed has made this mess. I also feel that responsibility also lies with the person/persons that knowingly commit fraud. I have yet to hear one argument on the behalf of illegal aliens that will convince me that this is a good thing they are here. When it gets to the point of facts, the "racist" agenda is thrown about. It does not work anymore, it never did. Someone please tell me why illegal aliens, regardless where they are from. is a good thing for the great U.S of A?

To Actual Invasion from Question wrote on Nov 5, 2006 11:40 PM:Thank you for your reply. I hear what you are saying and understand your position. I do not think it is unreasonable to ask these disrespectful and law-breaking individuals to verify their citizenship - I believe this, because of the situation that you & your family have been subjected to. It seems to me that you and your family are not getting the support from the authorities and the criminals are not being held accountable for their crimes. I don’t blame you for wanting to rid your neighborhood of undesirable/disrespectful individuals – many of which appear to be illegal immigrants. I know the burden that illegal immigrants put on the US, but I also know there are many legal citizens that are a burden on society. With that said, I believe that more effective resolutions could have been passed in order to control the illegal population/over-crowding (locally). I do not support the ordinance passed by Escondido City Council majority – because I think that it is vague and contradictory. I also think that it puts many Hispanics in a compromising position – I feel many legal Hispanic citizens will be open to unreasonable scrutiny. You acknowledged that you do not have “perfect knowledge” and your “judgment is based on cultural and economic clues” – this is one of the main reasons I can not support the ordinance. While you have used your best judgment in trying to deal with your neighbors, their behavior continues to interfere with your quality of life – and you have every right to be mad – and you should not have to move. However, neither you nor I are positive whether your neighbors are illegal or just really bad & rude neighbors. Now, if they are proven to be illegal, then definitely deport them immediately. But, what happens if they are just really bad legal citizens/neighbors.

Inalienable wrote on Nov 6, 2006 10:58 AM:Remember when our great nation put all the Japanese in concentration camps? That wasn't very long ago and it wasn't very nice. And, slavery? Yes, indeed many great Americans had to die to make our Country wonderful and free and they are, millions of Native Americans, millions of African slaves, and every Mexican that has fallen ill to the pesticides and all other health hazzards so that we can have our veggies this and every Thanksgiving. How many grown up "anchor" babies (as you call them) are proudly serving this country in the military right now, even as you verbally assail their parents? Here comes Thanksgiving. But most of you will forget to give thanks to those who pick your vegetables and make it possible for you to enjoy them. As you give thanks this holiday, don't forget to reming your children that it was mostly Mexicans (legal or not) that picked that batch of cranberries. Yummy! Thank God for the Mexican Farmworker and quit this bad habit of alienating your fellow man.

Remember to report the wrote on Nov 6, 2006 11:10 AM:ACLU and the other Mexican hate groups to the FBI, there is a little known law regarding aiding and abetting criminals.

Hombre wrote on Nov 6, 2006 12:23 PM:To Inalienable.....more diatribe to excuse the illegal entry, fraud and criminal acts committed by these self serving, illegal frauds. What about the folks that make our cars, trucks, planes, etc? Why focus on the vegatables? They are alienating a whole country by their disrespect and disregard for our laws. NO MAS! They want respect? EARN it by worthy deeds and obeying the law, set examples for others to follow, not paths to illegal entry!

Patrick wrote on Nov 6, 2006 2:31 PM:If employers would only obey the law and NOT hire illegal aliens, you racists would have nothing to do.

Jimbo to Inalienable wrote on Nov 6, 2006 3:00 PM:First of all, keep livin' in the past. Come on..internment camps? slavery? get into the 21st century, or better yet..if you can't accept the transgressions of our country's past and move on.....move to a different country...maybe Mexico? Second, I'll also remind my kids that Daddy has to pay for everything that anchor children's parents don't have to pay for. I'll also remind my children that the crime rate has risen so high due to illegals that it is no longer safe for them to play in some areas of the city. I'll also remind them that at one time, before illegals, farms were tended and tended just as well as they are today. I'll also remind them how the quality of life is on a downturn due to an invasion of third world ethics and unlawful behavior. I'll also remind them that the only flag that should be flown in our streets during a protest is the AMERICAN FLAG. I'll also remind them that the language of this country is ENLISH. They need not learn Spanish or put up with any teacher that says that they must. I'll also remind them that before illegals, they didn't have to wait 3 hours at the hospital emergency room. I'll also inform them that a welfare check is not consdered income. I'll also explain to them that hard work and achievement through educating one's self is the ONLY way ANYONE deserves life's rewards. There are laws governing this country. We need to enforce them. Bottom line. Stop making excuses for people, just because they can pick a few vegetables. I would gladly allow such individuals into the country if they so chose, so long as they come legally, pay taxes, don't expect me to learn their language, and don't expect me to foot the bill for them on EVERY SINGLE THING! In regards to the children of illegals who may now be serving in the military, God Bless 'em. Obviously they are old enough to have been born when illegals came here truly to better themselves and not expect to change our culture, take over the SW, collect welfare their entire life, demand that our gov't issue them a free pass on breaking our laws. The illegal of yesterday is different than the illegal of today. WE MUST ENFORCE THE LAW!! Like it or not, liberal.

Hombre wrote on Nov 6, 2006 5:18 PM:to Jimbo....Excellent job on Inalienable's feeble attempt to glorify illegal activity. Yes, at Thanksgiving, thank the Military for our freedoms and the freedoms of others around the world, thank the baker for our bread, the farmer for our milk, meat and poultry and ALL those who provide us our precious veggies.

Ruben wrote on Nov 7, 2006 7:09 AM:This is a hateful and bigoted ordinance. You break the law with this ordinance and it's going to backfire just like all evil does. These people are breaking a mans law not God's law. The Indians obeyed our laws and were massacred for obeying our laws. These people have children who are Americans. Your forefathers came here and killed Indians and took their land. They hated any race besides whites and also Jews. They made laws to discriminate and hurt other races. You claim you came here legally but I disagree. I think the only reason we have survived as a country is because with you came many God fearing people who believed in the a higher law. It is that law I speak about it is what holds this country together don't give me your law what this country needs is more of Gods law! There are I hope still many God fearing Americans if not may God have mercy on all of us!!!

Deport the illegals wrote on Nov 7, 2006 2:21 PM:the landlords and all of the activist and their sleaze attorneys, what is so hard about that?

To all wrote on Nov 7, 2006 2:25 PM:the illegal's children are going to remain mexican children of illegal parents, as the citizens of American are going to be forcing the issue on the 14th Amendment, so get use to the idea!

Ruben wrote on Nov 8, 2006 7:31 PM:I told you. Fox news just reported that American hispanics voted over 70% Democrat and that Republicans are in danger of losing the hispanic vote for the next 100 years. Go ahead and be racist I told you, I was a conserva- tive republican you lose!

To Ruben wrote on Nov 8, 2006 8:28 PM:Interesting, my ballot didn't have a box for "race". I only care if they vote for "what is good for America", not if they only vote for "what is good for hispanics". Votes based on race are perfect examples of Racism. Now who is the racist?

Ruben wrote on Nov 8, 2006 9:10 PM:So you lost the majority went Democrat no race you lose. So what now wa wa wa. You lose!! Americans disagree with you you lose. Hey I know blame mexicans. You still lose!

to Everyone wrote on Nov 9, 2006 1:21 AM:I think Ruben is the most mature and intelligent person on this website. We should all listen to him and become wiser.

Brian wrote on Nov 9, 2006 1:29 PM:Notice that the issue of illegal immigration was hardly mentioned nationally during the mid-term elections. Is it neglect or maybe that San Diego North County is really making much ado about nothing and creating this issue to mask their hatred for Mexican people? Just listen to the blaming, name-calling and hatred. One thing is for sure: regardless of the disdain for Mexicans and Latinos our numbers are increasing and we here to stay. Deal with it.

I think wrote on Nov 9, 2006 7:46 PM:Yes anchor babies are legal but just as I am a 3rd generation Mexican American, as they get educated they will be against illegal immigration because they will be wanting the same things all Americans want. As they start paying taxes their views will change. Every 20 years it changes.

What is so difficult? wrote on Nov 9, 2006 7:56 PM:If I was a landlord I think I would look at a driver's license and run a credit check on all my tenants. Wouldn't that illiminate anyone illegal? I definitely would not take a gamble on someone without a great credit history. Also I know when I rented before they asked how many people were in my family and that was all that were able to live in my home or else you could be evicted. Is it that difficult?

Hey ACLU ! wrote on Nov 10, 2006 1:21 PM:Did you hear that Wal-Mart is bring back Christmas! MERRY CHRISTMAS!

wt wrote on Nov 11, 2006 7:53 AM:Do advocates who want to eliminate all illegal immigration to California understand that such a move would put an end to fruit and vegetable farming in California? This is fact, not supposition. Without a guest worker program for Mexican farm workers and affordable housing for minimum wage workers in San Diego, you all will soon be going to your stores and finding that your fruits and vegetables, if they can be shipped that far, will be coming from Mexico or China or Chile, where workers work for a few dollars a day, or where farmers don't have to pay most of their profits to worker's compensation insurance, high water costs, high fuel costs, etc. There are not enough urbanized anglo workers willing to replace Mexican farm workers who grew up in agricultural communities. Unlike many Americans, many rural Mexicans consider agricultural work to be a decent and respectable job. There was a time when conservatives used to defend the American family farm, the heartland. Now, as Mexican farmworkers are being forced out by people ignorant of the consequences, crops are being left to die in the fields throughout California because there are not enough people to pick them. And if you think that by raising the wages and paying more for the local, fresh California produce you are accustomed to will solve the problem, ask yourself this: when you go to the store and see two comparable heads of celery and one costs 49 cents (from Mexico)and the other costs 89 cents(the price of celery in California after increased labor costs--assuming you could find anyone to pick it--are you going to seek out the produce manager to ask him which is the American brand of celery so you can support your American family farms? Are you going to wait while he or she goes to the storeroom to check the boxes in the back for the country of origin? Then are you going to go through the same process for your tomatoes, your peaches, your lettuce, etc.? Of course not: the same American that is now self-righteously destroying American vegetable and fruit farming in San Diego through their supposedly patriotic opposition to guest worker programs will be the first to betray an American farmer by buying the cheap celery from another country. That is, if they actually have any California-grown vegetables and fruits to choose from. Conservatives in a unique and endangered farming area like San Diego used to protect our family farms. Now, poeple like Bilbray, lobbyists for nig business development, are assuring their destruction. If Bilbray and others succeed, the only fruits and vegetables you will be able to buy at the store will be from foreign countries--a complete dependence on foreign food sources. Is this patriotic or American? And if you think this is an exaggeration, remember: it only takes one or two years for farmers to go under if they have to leave their crops to rot in the field or orchards because they literally have no one to pick them. Or perhaps they will just decide to sell the few remaining San Diego farms left by uncontrolled development and move on. Do you realize that we could lose the Californian vegetable or fruit farm in a matter of years? I'm a fourth-generation Californian. To me the unwanted immigrants are the urbanized suburbanites who are coming to our county from other states in droves and turning our limited coastal farmland into housing tracts without any consideration for the future. They think their food comes from Von's; they have no idea of what it takes to bring quality American produce to their tables or that San Diego is one of the few places in the country where you can grow all year round. It's only when there are no American vegetables on the store shelves that the illegal immigration fanatics will get the point --but by then, it will be too late.

Anita wrote on Nov 11, 2006 9:46 AM:All of you people who say this is a racist issue have lost your rationality. This is about being invaded by millions of illegal aliens who are burdening our infrastructers at the expense of those of us paying the taxes - 80 hospitals are shutting down in California because they cannot turn a way non US citizens. We are very stupid to have let this go on this far. Not all of us hire illegal aliens to make more money at the expense of others for paying their medical, school, insurance and prison bills. They don't practice birth control and have many children that cost us money and eventually this entire country is going to be hispanic because we have given it away to them. No, this has to stop - since when does a non US citizen have more rights than the US citizens - this is crazy - wake up and look at what is happening and again it could be purple people with pink dots on them, nothing to do with race!!!!!

Ruben wrote on Nov 11, 2006 4:01 PM:Face it American hispanics voted 70% Demaocrat and Fox new reported that Republicans are in danger of losing the hipsanic vote for the next 100 years. Democrats won the house and senate. Amnesty for the illegal immigrants we lost this issue due to bogotry I tried to warn you!!

Have a work program? wrote on Nov 11, 2006 5:27 PM:But do we continue to leave our borders open? I don't think anyone is really against a work program but that does not allow them to bring their families over too. Since I am considered a racist what do we do with the wives that don't work and their children that should not have been born in the US legally? Do we reward them with open arms?

Voting wrote on Nov 11, 2006 5:36 PM:My whole Mexican family voted Republican

Skip wrote on Nov 11, 2006 5:42 PM:It was in the other SD newspaper today that the Paradise Valley Hospital in Americas' Self proclaimed Illegal Alien Sanctuary City (National City) is about to loose all of their Federal Funding (nearly all of its income) because of alleged poor quality service to its patients. The hospitals reply: It is not our fault because we are forced to treat patients that are largely poor and ethnically diverse, and they are underinsured or uninsured. The hospital is loosing about 1 Million Dollars a Month.

To Brian wrote on Nov 11, 2006 6:26 PM:Re:your comment 11/9. I am of hispanic descent and hopefully the majority of us American citizens (LEGAL CITIZENS) will truly understand the impact illegals are having on our taxes, schools, hospitals, etc. and vote intelligently. If not, then there will be no one else to blame for what happens to our city. We may be here to stay but why are you making it sound so threatening? If many of the hispanics are like me and my friends, we are against illegal immigration.

Chad to Anita wrote on Nov 11, 2006 8:40 PM:Invaded! I agree we are being invaded by hate groups in North county. This anti-immigrant hysteria is misguided. The answer is employer sanctions. Still, why so much hate for the immigrants? I have seen the hate groups protesting at day labor sites shove, name call, and look at the workers with disdain. These vile knaves are nothing more than modern day klansmen.