Letters to the Editor - 8/18/2006

By: Readers of the North County Times and The Californian | Thursday, August 17, 2006 7:55 PM PDT

Address safety issues of street


Re: the Aug. 13 story, "Bicyclist seriously hurt in Carlsbad crash." Residents of the area have been pleading with city officials for over one year to address the safety issues. There is no posted speed limit, and city officials are knowingly permitting haul routes along the steep grade of El Fuerte. Residents have stated on numerous occasions that it is not a matter of if, it is only a question of how soon someone will be injured. They have also, among themselves, renamed El Fuerte to El Fuerte Speedway. Hopefully now, after a serious injury, the city of Carlsbad will address the safety issues relating to El Fuerte in a more prompt and responsible manner.

We, the residents of El Fuerte, wish Mr. Carlos Arboles a full and speedy recovery.

PATRICIA WALLACE

Carlsbad

Show your support for veterans


We shoot vets (with a camera for the Library of Congress).

AARP Chapters 77, San Diego, and 239, Encinitas, have been recording veteran histories on DVD for the Library of Congress. We are presenting Encinitas' own Rob Cook's story at the monthly AARP Chapter meeting on Sept. 11 at the Encinitas Senior Center at 1 p.m. Rob will be there in person.

A copy of each DVD story is presented to every vet free of charge in the hope that it lets our vets know how much we love and appreciate them.

It would be nice if we could fill the meeting room with supporters.

SHIRLEY BARD

San Diego

Prop. F doomed again


The article on Aug. 10 did not mention anything about funding the fiasco ("Tri-City hospital board OKs new ballot measure").

It almost seems like the hospital board and the North County Times on are on the same team. Until the board finds a way to tax everyone, not just the property owners, Proposition F is doomed, this time by a landslide.

JOHN CORNING

Oceanside

Line in the sand


It is a shame that Jim Trageser and the rest of the local press just don't get it ("Lawsuit over Bilbray win a political stunt," Aug. 10). Lou Dobbs gets it, Roger Hedgecock gets it and Stacy Taylor gets it.

The lack of security in our voting machines is not a Republican, Democrat or Green Party issue. Read the reports: Voting Systems Technology Assessment Advisory Board Report, published Feb. 14 at ss.ca.gov/elections/voting_systems/security_analysis_of_the_diebold_a ccubasic_interpreter.pdf; United States Government Accountability Office report published September 2005 and available at gao.gov/new.items/d05956.pdf; Brennan Center Report: brennancenter.org/programs/downloads/Executive%20; and the Diebold TSX Evaluation: Security Alert, May 11, prepared by Harri Hursti, blackboxvoting.org/BBVtsxstudy.pdf.

These machines are certified by privately owned companies that are paid for by the manufacturer. They are not safe to vote on. Our elections have been privatized and there is not enough government oversight in place to make them secure.Ý

The reason that the Bilbray/Busby election was the one contested is that it was the first federal election this year. It is a line in the sand for many citizen activists who have researched this issue for years. We sure wish that the press would also bother to do a little research.

SHARLENE HAMILTON

Oceanside

Drinking has nothing to do with willpower


This is in response to a letter printed Aug. 12 from Don Snyder in regard to Mel Gibson's problems. I agree with his assessment that Gibson should affirm that he has a problem. But if he is an alcoholic, then his problem is very real and very much a disease. It is true that no one forces you to pick up that first drink, and the first drink does not get you drunk. The difference between an alcoholic and one who is not is that the alcoholic cannot stop once he has started, this having nothing to do with willpower. Call it a character defect, call it genetic, call it what you will, but it is a disease and it is very real. The tragedies that occur, and the complete destruction of people's lives, people who were successful in all facets of their existence, losing families, homes, everything that has ever meant anything to them, just for that next drink, has nothing to do with willpower.

GARY WALLACE WALKER

Carlsbad

The future of freedom


Does the world today realize the threat to humanity that is emerging and its potential effect on the fate of man? In one camp are the nations that cherish freedom: America, Israel, Australia and a handful of European nations. In a second camp are the leftists-socialists-communists. The third camp consists of the Islamic fanatics. The first camp (freedom), by nature, has no desire to rule the world. The other two camps must rule with an iron fist because their worldview requires the suppression of man's natural free state. Lately, the leftists and Islamists have become quite cozy with each other. Iran's relationship with Venezuela and North Korea are examples. If you set aside the religion component, both have much in common, but mainly hatred of freedom. Free nations are a threat and their freedoms must be extinguished. The remaining powers will naturally turn against each other (Islam vs. communism) for the prize of world dominance. The winner gets the right to drive humanity back into the Stone Age and worse, into extinction

MARK CHRISTOPHER

Oceanside

World traveler


When poor and hungry fathers are tired of being poor and hungry and are tired of seeing their families suffer, they will rise up against the rulers who lie and cheat and kill for power and riches. Most terrorism is a product of the oppressed and disenfranchised. Mr. Rich Lowry has opined that the Democrats oppose tough measures. Does he want us to shoot first, then say, "Uh, sorry for blowing up the house with the poor family living in it who had nothing to do with some terrorist criminal act"? I travel the world with my family to show my sons how small the world really is. We live in rented rooms in people's homes, not some resort hotel, so our dollars go into the local economy. This Republican Congress and administration are wrong with their knucklehead, "kill 'em all" mentality. The Iraq invasion was done for profit. And this is treason to me.

Why is there U.S. private security in Iraq? Why isn't there more money to help our young soldiers who need rehab from this stressful "who's the enemy" debacle?

Vote Democrat in November.

TIM JAMES MORRIS

Vista

Green Valley mobile-home park


In response to Michael Knutson's Aug. 11 letter about the water outage at Green Valley Mobile Home Park, we had an outage in July and (some of us) were called by the homeowners association telling us the water would be off for a short period of time; two days. On Aug. 2 we received a printed notice that the water would again be turned off on Friday, the fourth of August, from 1 to 5 p.m. On Saturday the park manager told us we could go to the swimming pool to get buckets of water for flushing our toilets and the water should be turned on by 9:30 or 10 that day. He was kind enough to deliver water from the pool to some residents who could not tote the water for flushing. After inquiring of him during that time, we were told it shouldn't be more than a couple of hours and we would have water. On Sunday afternoon we were blessed with a Public Works water truck for water. I happened to drive by and see the truck, we were not notified. We finally got our water on at 9 p.m. on Sunday. The manager did say he was sorry for the inconvenience. Some of us were very concerned that, God forbid we had a fire in the park, no water from the hydrants would be available. Doing our dishes was a minor issue when compared with other health and welfare issues.

DEANNA LEE BAKER

Vista

Loony liberalism


I am one of those wacky liberals so many of the North County Times letter writers loathe. I am not a Christian, but I love what Jesus had to say. Our president claims he is a Christian. So do many members of the Republican Party. It is becoming increasingly apparent to me that these people are ignoring Jesus' teachings. For example, from the Sermon on the Mount Jesus said, "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be sons of God." I do not see any peacemakers in the Bush administration.

And there are a couple of good lines from the Ten Commandments: "Thou shalt not kill" and "Love thy enemy." The Bush team has absolutely no grasp of either of these two concepts. They will simply not engage in talks with anyone they consider an enemy. They would prefer to engage in pre-emptive war.

Then there is other stuff I believe in, like living in harmony with nature.

I believe the panel of scientists from the National Academy of Science that warns us of global warming. And I find it rather curious that Phil Cooney, chief of staff of the Council on Environmental Quality, was a former oil industry lobbyist. But then again, I am just a loony liberal.

MICHELE ARNESEN

Solana Beach

It's all about money and greed


Re: Michael Pinto's letter of Aug. 14, "SDG&E doesn't want competition." Thank you to Mr. Pinto for setting everyone straight about the untruths disseminated by SDG&E regarding homeland security, safety and energy needs. San Diego does not need, nor will it benefit from, the gargantuan power line planned for Anza Borrego State Park and communities in the backcountry. It is all about money and greed. There are proven alternatives.

LAUREL GRANQUIST

Julian

No way to treat disabled fans


In 2000 I became officially disabled, complication from hip replacement surgery. I even qualified for permanent DP plates. That was the first year that I qualified for the disabled tickets that the San Diego Chargers allocated for single games.

The only drawback was that I had to wait in line with all the other fans. I managed with my cane and chair. The following year I was fortunate to have the procedure improved by actually persuading the Chargers ticket office to have a special line and window for disabled persons. Wow, what a difference! This procedure was continued through the 2005 season. However, without any prior announcement, the Chargers ticket office announced that all single-game tickets would be handled the same way for all ---- disabled included. And to add insult to injury, the only way to obtain single-game tickets for your game choice is to buy a package of three games. Thanks, San Diego Chargers. Nice way to treat disabled fans. Guess greed wins out after all.

BEN SCOTT

Oceanside

Homosexuality is a choice


First, it must be understood that there is a difference between homosexual and homosexuality. A person is not born homosexual, but neither is it a choice.

Being homosexual is a result of exterior factors that make up a vast, complex sequence of experiences that begin at birth. Being homosexual is characterized by attraction to those of the same sex.

Homosexuality, on the other hand, has to do with sexual behavior. All behavior is a choice. There are no exceptions. Since homosexuality has to do with behavior, and since all behavior is a choice, consequently, homosexuality is a choice. The attraction/desire that characterizes a homosexual does not compel or force his sexual behavior (homosexuality). The word "gay" does away with the differentiation between homosexual and homosexuality. It is now clear why the word "gay" was formulated.

Further, homosexual advocates have classified homosexuality as an alternate lifestyle. Any lifestyle is based on behavior (choice). This alternate lifestyle (homosexuality) is being promoted so as to replace the established lifestyle that the vast majority of people accept, this with respect to family, religion, morality and sexual norms. Your children are being indoctrinated to accept this change.

FRANK LANCELOTTI

Oceanside

Those war-loving Catholics


Watching the news, reading the newspaper, all you see right now is talk about the trouble in the Middle East. Israel is doing what they should be doing, defending themselves.

The media, other countries and world leaders have all expressed their opinions about this latest event, except one.

Pray tell, what does the pope think about all this? He's quick to judge what goes on in America, which he has no business in. He's quick to denounce anything that has to do with Catholics and poor people in other regions.

So why hasn't he sounded off on this? Is it because he wants Israel's demise as bad as Hezbollah does? Is it because the pope wants to set up shop in Jerusalem instead of Vatican City? Does anyone think the pope doesn't want to rule the whole world and, in doing so, the Catholics ruleÝas well? The Catholics, while claiming to be peace-loving, have caused more wars throughout history than any other religion combined. The Muslims are amateurs compared to them. But they are catching up fast. Could the Catholic Church be backing them up? Hard to fight a war when you don't know who you're fighting.

JEAN SNYDER

Oceanside

Veterans fight for the flag, not God


In his Aug. 12 letter Robert Longton states that a cross marks the grave site of every military veteran buried in our national cemeteries. This is a very biased view because gravestones of non-Christian veterans are marked with symbols appropriate to their religion. But, unlike the situation at Mount Soledad, every national cemetery has flying above the cemetery only the American flag, not a cross or Star of David or any another religious symbol. To every veteran the flag is the appropriate symbol to dominate a veterans national cemetery, or memorial, since that is what we fought for, not a religious symbol as featured at Mount Soledad.

LARRY FALICK

Oceanside

Quarry is not a partisan controversy


In reply to Larry Lepley's "Rock-huggers ignore facts, common sense" letter (Aug. 15):

Boy, those mine supporters are digging to the bottom of the barrel to come up with new names to call the people who do not want a gravel quarry in the Temecula Valley. First it was "nimbys" and "activists," then "extremists" and "environmental crazies." Now it's "rock-huggers"?

It's Granite Construction who "hugs rocks." They want to take out a billion tons of rock from Liberty Quarry, take down a whole mountain and turn it into gravel. They want to do this no matter how adversely it affects the people who live in Temecula, Murrieta, Rainbow and Fallbrook, or how much it harms SDSU's ecological reserve and field station. Who are the "rock-huggers"?

Intelligent residents of these cities oppose a gravel quarry for good common-sense reasons. Diesel emissions from 1,400 truck trips a day at the Rainbow turnoff will affect our air quality and congest our freeways, as we will become a traffic hub. This is very concerning. Scientists from SDSU oppose this project for good, solid, scientific reasons, as their important field station and the ongoing experiments there could be harmed.

Why does Mr. Lepley take (Californian columnist) Paul Jacobs to task? The Liberty Quarry threat is not a partisan issue. Many conservatives in our area are just as upset about this project as are liberals.

Granite's PR juggernaut is scrambling to convince you of how wonderful they are. Are their claims valid? Don't buy it!

CAROL BRADY

Temecula

Resorting to hyperbole a sign of defeat


I have to admit, I found the letter from Larry Lepley (Aug. 15) to be one of the more hilarious I have ever read on these pages. Not in the way he intended, to be sure, but hilarious nonetheless.

Mr. Lepley goes on for paragraphs, labeling anyone against the proposed rock quarry as "Wild eyed, activist rock huggers" and talks about their "liberal platitudes." To bolster his point, he then invents, out of thin air, several quotes from liberals that no one ever said in the first place: "...our children will not be able to play with their X-boxes because the silica dust has coated the screen." "Every Temecula resident over 30 will be wearing a dust mask and breathing from an oxygen bottle..." Who said these things? No one I know ... except in Mr. Lepley's mind.

He also added, "I can close my eyes and visualize Al (Hot Spell-Hugger) Gore at his blackboard with a laser pointer." And then at the end of his little diatribe ---- with no hint whatsoever that he sees the irony ---- he says, "Let's not trash the facts and common sense to pacify the emotional exaggerations of the Hugger Nation."

I wonder sometimes: If those on the left are so horrible, why do those on the right have to rely so heavily on made-up nonsense? You would think the truth would serve.

MARK CLOUD

Murrieta

Minority using scare tactics on quarry


Larry Lepley's letter of Aug. 15, supporting the proposed Liberty Quarry was a breath of fresh air, no pun intended. Larry understands the significance and benefits of the rock quarry and isn't afraid to say so.

Most complainers have tried to alarm us about imaginary health risks caused by dust, a virtual non-issue. You'd think they'd do their homework and prove that people living near quarries have significantly higher rates of disease than those living far away. They haven't done so because such evidence doesn't exist, even if they go back several decades before stringent emissions standards were imposed.

Most Temecula residents I've talked to support the quarry. It seems a vocal minority have banded together to write letters and scare people into opposing it. I think I know what these people are really afraid of: In their humble opinions, the city of Temecula is too hoity-toity to host a rock plant.

They might be surprised to learn that Palos Verdes, no slouch of a city, was home to Chandler's Sand and Gravel for decades, and it did not hurt property values or create health issues.

Other towns of prominence such as Pasadena, Arcadia, Bradbury, Glendora, Claremont, Alta Loma and Upland have had quarries in operation without significant risks to the health of people or the values of the houses they live in. I think it's about time some of these high-falutin' naysayers get off their high horses and start dealing with reality.

RICK KELLOGG

Wildomar

Timing of arrests is suspicious


According to published reports, British authorities wanted to wait until the alleged terrorists had purchased tickets before making arrests but under intense U.S. pressure, took action to apprehend over 20 British suspects with Pakistani connections.

One could view this as prescient, pro-active work on the part of the Bush administration. On the other hand, could the Bushites have gone to the terrorist wolf well once too often? I wonder if Connecticut anti-Iraq war upstart Ned Lamont's stunning victory for the Democratic U.S. Senate nomination over pro-war incumbent Joseph Lieberman could have had anything to do with it?

And Vice President Cheney calling Connecticut voters al-Qaida supporters is outrageous. When are we going to say enough is enough and impeach Cheney and Bush?

It looks increasingly like the Republicans are running scared of losing control of Congress in November and are grasping at straws, trying to scare the electorate into continuing this New American Century madness in the Middle East.

Under cloak of civilian leadership, our troops have done themselves proud in yet another police action in violation of the Geneva Conventions, international law and just about everything moral. American troops are no longer part of the solution but have inexorably become part of the problem. They need to be supported by being immediately withdrawn so the Iraqi people can sort out the mess we've made.

LARRY RETZACK

Murrieta

Bush failed to keep us safe


These are the plain facts, whether or not you wish to believe it: Five years after 9/11, the Bush administration has failed to keep us safe.

The war in Iraq has diverted attention from protecting America from terrorism.

This past week, 9/11 commissioners said Iraq is distracting from security at home. The war in Iraq has inflamed the whole Middle East and is helping al-Qaida attract new recruits. Osama Bin Laden is still on the loose.

Hurricane Katrina showed all of us that the Republicans aren't able to protect America at home.

The Republican Congress hasn't followed through on the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission.

Republican political attacks during last week's terror threat are outrageous.

Enough incompetence already. Let us get some real leaders and thinkers in office for a change.

LINDA ALVAREZ

Temecula

Web Comments


Escondido to ban renting to illegal immigrants


Readers respond to our Aug. 17 story about a divided City Council voting to begin drafting an ordinance that would ban illegal immigrants from renting property in Escondido.

Goes both ways


Mexicans take advantage of Mexicans: "I think that every city should have a clause or regulation that limits the number of people who live in a single family dueling this is a serious issue in Oceanside, Vista and Escondido. Asking for citizenship is not the solution though. Interesting the very people that take advantage of these illegal aliens are the very Mexicans that rent the apartments from the landlords. They sub-rent to dozens of illegal aliens so that they can make money out of these illegal aliens. They are charged high rents for sleep in a bathtub or the kitchen floor and so forth, it is the new scam."

Levels of mistakes


EscoLocal: "One of my neighbors had to call the City about 19 people being packed into a single house. They were stuffed into bedrooms, the living room, garage, and even on the porch. BUT, there were zero Latinos living there. At best, Waldron's assumption that overcrowding is done by Latinos is a huge mistake, and at worst, it's the 'r' word."

The few, the proud


Jeff: "Thank you to the courageous majority on the Escondido City Council who choose to take action on this critical issue. Stopping the invasion of illegal aliens, like many momentous changes in America, will start with the actions of a steadfast few. I'm proud that Escondido, and three Council members with courage and vision, has chosen to play a leading role."

Take a stand


JD: "Mr. Newman, your motives are clear: 1. Stop the re-election of Ms. Waldron -- is Ms. Waldron a potential rival against you when you seek higher office? 2. Your fear of being sued over you courage to do the right thing by taking a stand against lawbreakers. Fear of taking a stand is all to common in this day and age -- it's too bad even our elected officials hesitate to take a stand because of threatened lawsuits! Get the message, illegal means illegal. Stand up and do the right thing to enforce and re-enforce the laws."

Accused Marines want to head straight to trial


Readers respond to our Aug. 17 story about how at least three of the eight Camp Pendleton men accused of kidnapping and killing an Iraqi man are asking the Marine Corps to take their cases straight to military trials and skip the pretrial hearings that would determine if courts-martial would be necessary.

Man v. machine


They are done!: "The military calls its jury a panel. There is usually a panel of 6 military members. Do you think they are going to go against the military machine? These poor marines are done for!"

Empty show


mark: "I think that the outcome of the 32 hearing was predetermined long ago. It is probable wise for the defense not to waste limited resources in what will amount to a dog and pony show for the prosecution."

Wise move


This is a smart Marine!: "He understands that the JAG is going not play by anything resembles any real trial. I wish him the best and thank him for his service!"

Few and far between


o2cool1: "Good luck, Marine -- give 'em hell. No doubt with the publicity this trial will receive it will be harder for the Marines to find 'a few GOOD men' and rightly so."

San Diego smoking ban rolls out


Readers respond to our Aug. 17 story about a ban on smoking going into effect tomorrow at San Diego parks and beaches.

Clear the air


Ed: "Hopefully, this is another step in the right direction to eventually ban smoking everywhere in this state, except in maybe someone's house. I'd like to see a smoking ban eventually make it to automobiles. Seeing smokers continuously using the street and highway as their personal ashtray come to an end would be significantly helpful to curbing not only roadside litter, but also the threat of brush fires throughout Southern California. Ban smoking NOW!"

Smoke and mirrors


You Reap What You Sow: "All the smokers whining about these bans have no one to blame but themselves. Maybe if you would have had shown some actual courtesy towards the people and environment around you it wouldn't have come to this. Instead you chose to use the street, beaches, etc. as your own personal ashtray. Aside from the nastiness of the litter, can you say fire season? Rather than blaming ban supporters for your diminishing rights to pollute the public try looking in the mirror to know where to point the finger."

Mommy, may I?


to Ed: "Why not just enforce the existing littering laws? It's already illegal to throw cigarettes on the ground. Just admit it, you have a problem with people making a choice you don't like, and want to play mommy to all of them."

Fired up


Incensed: "The level of rudeness, the comfort with their own filth and their disregard for others' property, health and enjoyment is characteristic of enough smokers to make this ban necessary."

Readers responded to a pair of articles Thursday discussing the criminal charges for ethics violations against former Murrieta Mayor Jack van Haaster and conveying public reaction to the allegations.

Time for justice


It's about time: These scumbags are brought to justice!

Strange


Murrieta Man-Loans: Why on earth would van Haaster report a loan as income? I'm not a van Haaster supporter, but something seems strange. I would think he would need to report the loans as loans. As for van Haaster's involvement in the Day Care, now that's a conflict of interest.

Politics leads to ruin


Ron: Print all the good Jack van Haaster did while in office. At least the people of Murrieta will know who made it so they can enjoy a city that gives them the style of living they have today and that goes for all past and present city officials. It takes guts to be a politician. It is an unthankful job and can and will ruin your family and your life.

Lay men


True American: Kenneth Lay had supporters too!

Nearly impossible


Murrieta Man-Concerned: So typical of Rescue Murrieta to gloat. If you really cared about the interests of the whole city, you'd be addressing real issues like economic development, housing-to-job ratio and circulation. I can't wait to see what you bring to the table as a candidate this fall. Let's see: slow growth or no growth, hmm. Here's an idea, why don't you vote to unincorporate? ...

Paying the price


Barbara: ... Yes, King Jack made Murrieta what Murrieta is now, a beautiful place to live and grow your children and he did it at our expense. You and I are paying for all of his corrupt business.

Honesty needed


Jim: ... I don't think anyone is happy to see this, but everyone with a little knowledge of Murrieta politics should have seen it coming. Politics isn't a means to line your pockets. Go into business and make money honestly, like other hard working people do.

An embarrassment


Keep It Up: Once again Murrieta is embarrassed. Embarrassed by the corrupt officials. Embarrassed by the ignorance of ALL its residents who love to bash (this includes BOTH SIDES). ...

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Frank's Cheerful Opinion wrote on Aug 18, 2006 3:18 AM:Historically, homosexuality flourishes when there is an insufficient number of acceptable women. And it happened again in the 1970's with the birth of the Woman's Liberation Movement and their "woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle" slogan. Here we are 30 years later and the women are now asking "where are all the men?" Alas for them, the men have found ways to cope and -- as creatures of habit -- aren't likely to make any significant changes in the near future. So relax, ladies, and enjoy the solitude you've earned from your participation in the feminist movement of the last 30 years.

Save Our World wrote on Aug 18, 2006 4:30 AM:Homosexuality is a choice: Furthermore, the last 10+ years we have been flooded with everyday promotion to make homosexuality an EVERYDAY occurance...The more we see and hear it, the less shocking it becomes...Like Sex, violence and language in movies and on TV, we are becoming unfazed by it being here.

Save Our State wrote on Aug 18, 2006 4:36 AM:Illegal Immigrants SHOULD have to pay outrageous rents and living conditions to live here...The only rentals they CAN get are breaking the law by aiding them...If they don't LIKE the cost of living, then they need to go back to Mexico and return to living honest. Illegals create a tidal wave of illegal activity JUST by their presence here. Don't cry that the laws MAKE them illegal. They don't belong here!

Hub wrote on Aug 18, 2006 6:23 AM:Someone needs to explain to Linda Alvarez the difference between a fact and an opinion.

Ron wrote on Aug 18, 2006 6:23 AM:"Lincoln believed in the Whig theory of the presidency, which left Congress to write the laws while he signed them, vetoing only bills that threatened his war powers." "The Democrats, hoping to make setbacks in the war a top campaign issue, waited until late summer to nominate a candidate. Their platform was heavily influenced by the Peace wing of the party, calling the war a "failure." "Their candidate, former General George McClellan, was a War Democrat, determined to prosecute the war until the Union was restored. He was also willing to compromise on all other issues, including slavery." "Lincoln authorized Grant to use a scorched earth approach to destroy the South's morale and economic ability to continue the war. This allowed Generals William Tecumseh Sherman and Philip Sheridan to destroy farms and towns in the Shenandoah Valley, Georgia, and South Carolina. The damage in Sherman's March to the Sea through Georgia totaled in excess of $100 million." "During the Civil War, Lincoln appropriated powers no previous President had wielded: he used his war powers to proclaim a blockade, suspended the writ of habeas corpus, spent money without congressional authorization, and imprisoned 18,000 suspected Confederate sympathizers without trial." "John Wilkes Booth shouted "Sic semper tyrannis!" (Latin: "Thus always to tyrants") and escaped." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln#Civil_War "Habeas corpus was suspended on April 27, 1861, during the American Civil War by President Lincoln." "He did so in response to riots, local militia actions and the threat that the Southern slave state of Maryland would secede from the Union leaving the nation's capital, Washington, D.C., in the south. He was also motivated by requests by generals to set up military courts to rein in "Copperheads" or Peace Democrats, and those in the Union who supported the Confederate cause. His action was challenged in court and overturned by the U.S. Circuit Court in Maryland (led by Supreme Court Chief Justice Roger B. Taney) in Ex Parte Merryman, 17 F. Cas. 144 (C.C.D. Md. 1861). Lincoln ignored Taney's order." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus#Suspension_during_the_Civil_War_and_Reconstruction And it wasn't the first time Lincoln ignored the Supreme Court, or other Presidents. Pretty interesting reading. Very similar to Bush and his legal fight today. But both Lincoln and Bush are similar in their belief they need to do these things, in order to win. Lincoln was right in the end, although his methods were considered treasonous at the time. And it is interesting to note, Lincoln is now considered one of our best Presidents, regardless of his treatment of civil rights during the war.

Ron wrote on Aug 18, 2006 7:29 AM:"Most terrorism is a product of the oppressed and disenfranchised." Well I guess that means we can't help them. TIM JAMES MORRIS pens a nice little diatribe, but he is missing one element in his letter. The oppression and disenfranchisment is done by Muslims to Muslims. Saddam Hussein routinely killed all opponents and "agitators." The Taliban routinely kiled those who violated Islamic laws. The House of Saud routinely jails and puts to death those who seek to over throw them. He also says: "The Iraq invasion was done for profit. And this is treason to me." How does he know this? I mean, everyone can have an opinion, even if it's unsupported, and ridiculous. It would seem to me that American citizens are supporting these regimes by buying their oil, because we selfishly want to drive our cars. I'm sure during Mr. MORRIS's travels, he burned his share of Arab oil. Are you? When you get to work today, thank the Arab's, because they helped you earn a living today, by getting you to work. Think about it.

Be skeptical - very skeptical . wrote on Aug 18, 2006 9:05 AM:… One thing we have learned from 9/11 and the Bush-Blair administrations is to be skeptical - very skeptical of their FEAR PROPAGANDA. Over the past five years we have noticed the uncanny timing of the various fear campaigns launched by the White House: always launched to benefit their political campaigns. We’ve also learned that most of these propaganda campaigns are later debunked, but we learn AFTER the damage has been done and political advantage has already been harvested by this administration. This is part of the fundamental nature of rule by FEAR demagoguery. Much of the threat of international terrorism turns out to be in actuality "a fantasy that has been exaggerated and distorted by politicians. In an age when all the grand ideas have lost credibility, fear of a phantom enemy is all the politicians have left to maintain their power." END QUOTE by Adam Curtis, BBC documentary producer. In time we will find out that most of the latest airline scare over liquid explosives will fall apart as experts examine the details and take a realistic look at the individuals involved. I would bet it is mostly another hoax, overblown to exploit the politics of fear. The timing was extraordinarily beneficial as a distraction from the American war crimes under way in Lebanon. We’ll just have to wait and see how incompetent these 24 liquid bombers turn out to be. Could turn out just like the recent Florida case in which the FBI enticed and entrapped those pitiable dimwits in an unexecutable scheme to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago. Most of those dimwits did not even know where the tower was located. There are certainly real terrorist dangers in the world, but our government experts usually overlook hard evidence and logic when it stares them in the face.

Hey Gary wrote on Aug 18, 2006 9:09 AM:I could care less if Mel Gibson drank himself into a coma, it's racist comments that make him an indecent human!

poor Lancelotti wrote on Aug 18, 2006 9:11 AM:To get an idea for the ridiculousness of Mr. Lancelotti's argument today on homosexuality, read it through again and substitute 'heterosexual' and 'heterosexuality' for the 'homo' words. Makes you think, eh? So basically his argument in the third paragraph is that since the vast majority are hetero then that makes homos not normal. I can never figure what guys like Lancelotti want to do about uppity gay people. Concentration camps? Shock treatments and mental hospitals? Or just not to ever see or hear about them again?

Tio Sam wrote on Aug 18, 2006 9:15 AM:I posted this on yeseterday's blog, but to be sure it gets on: Here are some more wingnut leftist radicals: (http://news.yahoo.com/s/oneworld/45361379581155875399) QUOTE SAN FRANCISCO, Aug 17 (OneWorld) - Twenty-one former generals and high ranking national security officials have called on United States President George W. Bush to reverse course and embrace a new area of negotiation with Iran, Iraq, and North Korea. In a letter released Thursday, the group told reporters Bush's 'hard line' policies have undermined national security and made America less safe. ENDQUOTE How is it possible that Lieberman and Cheney can dare to claim that opposing them is supporting terror? The evidence is exactly the opposite: supporting the Bush policies PROMOTES terror. If you want to increse American safety, better try another way and vote the Bush supporter out.

To Ed and Company wrote on Aug 18, 2006 9:25 AM:You are full of nonsense, the only group it is ok to discriminate against anymore is smokers. It has NOTHING to do with litter, we have much bigger litter problems than cigarette butts, nor are cigarette butts the big cause of brush fires. Are there inconsiderate smokers? YES. But the fact remains that this is out and out attack of the smokers, it is the politacaly correct thing to do. Truth is smokers inconvience your life very little anymore, why don't you just leave them alone? Their lungs aren't your concern, go away now!

GI Joe wrote on Aug 18, 2006 10:16 AM:A very interesting theory presented by Mark Christopher. A few comments: In the America of today, our freedoms are rapidly evaporating before our eyes. In the America of the past there were fewer freedoms for all unless you were a white male. Muslims in Israel do not experience the freedom if the Israelis, if you could call what they have “cherished freedom”. Now here is where Ron and Hub will disagree with me. The United States has been trying to rule the world through financial and military superiority. Through the use of the world bank, third world countries are at this very moment being exploited in order to extract every drop of slave labor from these countries to produce goods for our Wal-Mart-type stores (enjoyed by our freedom lovers). For example: we don’t call it slavery since we set up our Hannes undergarment manufacturing in a barbed wire guarded enclosure in Jamaica which is not subject to their laws of decency nor ours. For their long, long hours, workers are paid a few dollars a day, then their meager wages are subject to insurance and other fees leaving almost nothing. (Sorry for the diversion). So you see, his analogy of the others wanting to use “an iron fist” to rule is not the true picture. WE ARE RULING WITH THE IRON FIST. Mr. Christopher is correct in his conclusion: The winner gets the right to drive humanity back into the Stone Age and worse, into extinction.

Tio Sam wrote on Aug 18, 2006 10:21 AM:Frank, of the cheerful opinion, you have to be putting us on, right? Feminism causes an increase in homosexuality? LOL. Me, and a lot of men I know, just love love love feminist women. We love having real partners in life. And their power makes them hot! Especially the ones that can throw a baseball! Maybe their only problem is that there are so few real men, who's egos can tolerate equality.

To Ron wrote on Aug 18, 2006 11:42 AM:Good job Ron. I could use 500 plus words to make the argument that both Hitler and Bush are similar in their belief they need...to win the war. But I'll give you a break today.

David wrote on Aug 18, 2006 11:52 AM:Michele Arnesen makes some interesting points, although a more correct translation of the old testament writing would be "Thou shalt not commit murder," but that is splitting hairs. The Ten Commandments had more to do with individual responsibilities than a nation's responsibilities, though they are not completely seperate. I doubt that Christians are looking for politicians to be what they are, but who will support their causes. It seems like Christians find the Republicans do that more than the Democrats, depending on what the individual considers the most important, and therefore earns their vote. It's like I heard so many say of Clinton: "Who cares what he was doing with Monica as long as I was making lots of money in the stock market." I guess it just depends on your priorities.

Not quite ten commandments wrote on Aug 18, 2006 12:19 PM:Intentions aside Michele Arnsen, your grasp of the ten commandments leaves a little lacking. First, "Love they enemy" isn't one of the ten commandments. One of the two ultimate commandments as found in the New Testament, but not one of the Ten as set down by Moses. Second, "Thou shall not kill" should be interepreted instead as "Thou shall not murder." Furthermore, that specific word for murder is defined as pre-meditated, and with malicous intent.

Tia Samantha wrote on Aug 18, 2006 12:58 PM:Dear Eddie: You cigarette argument works for me, especially with a small amount of editing. PARA-QUOTE: “The truth is marijuana smokers inconvenience your life very little anymore, why don't you just leave them alone? Their lungs aren't your concern, go away now!” END OF PARA-QUOTE.

WWII & War on Terror wrote on Aug 18, 2006 1:33 PM:Commander-in-Chiefs....Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes said FDR had a second-class intellect. The British Ambassador Lord Halifax called FDR's decision making like "a disorderly day's rabbit shooting." Secretary of War Stimson said FDR governed by a "topsy turvy, upside-down system of poor administration...The President is the poorest administrator I have ever worked under..." Harold Smith, Director of the Budget 1939-1946, said Roosevelt was "a very erratic administrator." FDR made a point of not reading books and not consulting experts. FDR was full of tall tales about himself, for example that he had been a combatant in WWI when he had actually avoided service. Even FDR's friends called him mentally light, mendacious, lacking wit, unreliable, petty, vengeful and manipulative. His nicknames were Chief Disorganizer and Chief Manipulator. Walter Lippmann wrote of FDR "his mind is not very clear, his purposes are not simple, and his methods are not direct." Stimson said that "His mind does not follow easily a consecutive train of thought..." British Foreign Secretary Eden called the Roosevelt administration "a mad house." Lord Halifax said FDR's ideas were "pretty inchoate" and Eden called them "feckless"(feeble). FDR was the first President unable to write his own speeches. FDR's Secretary of Labor said he had a "streak of vanity and insincerity." His Secretary of Interior Ickes called him "an inactive and uninspiring President." Churchill said that FDR had no ideas at all. Lord Moran wrote that FDR had used his shrewdness to cover his ignorance, but at Yalta his shrewdness was gone and there was nothing left.

Tio Sam wrote on Aug 18, 2006 2:02 PM:And yet, with all this, compared to W, FDR looked brilliant and inspiring. A second-class intellect positively shines compared to what we have now. Thank goodness, though, we have presidential term limits...for this if nothing else, thank FDR.

to Tio Sam wrote on Aug 18, 2006 3:15 PM:And yet, with all this, compared to FDR, Lincoln looked brilliant and inspiring. I guess it all depends on your perspective of history and presidents involved in a war for our nation's survival.

God made gays not Frank. wrote on Aug 18, 2006 3:33 PM:Frank try to control your gay letter writing behavior.

FDR, Lincoln, Bush wrote on Aug 18, 2006 3:38 PM:Bush's war against Iraq has nothing to do with national survival. It is all about raw naked military aggression used to secure power and resources using 9/11 and our fear of terrorism as an excuse.

Tio Sam wrote on Aug 18, 2006 4:52 PM:"FDR, etc" is right on the money. We are not at war. We attacked a country to bring about regime change, and did that, though we had no right to under international law and "just war" theory. W even made a big show of how the mission was accomplished. Since then, it's been an occupation, not a war. The so called war on terror is a metaphor like the war on crime, on drugs, on poverty, etc. ad nauseum. There are people that want to kill Americans. They should be found and arrested. That's not a war. The word "war" is one man's way of conning Americans. You buy it, your bad.

DISon wrote on Aug 18, 2006 5:15 PM:Re: Not Quite 10 - Of course Michele left out bearing false witness and coveting thy neighbor's house. WMD and oil respectively. Too bad the poor people of Sudan didn't have oil. Maybe we would have delivered them a little democracry too. Iraq wasn't pre-mediated? Are you sure there was no malicious intent?

LANCELOTTI - wrote on Aug 18, 2006 5:36 PM:- O’ How I would miss my chocoltti, And how the golden voice of Pavarotti, But I know this: I would not miss, The tedious monotony of Frank Lancelotti.

Un-informed letter writer . wrote on Aug 18, 2006 6:05 PM:… It is puzzling why some people expend so much effort writing a letter to the editor without making the simplest research to ascertain basic fact to back their opinions. Jean Synyder of Oceanside erroneously stated that the Pope has expressed NO OPINION about the Israel attack against Lebanon. Three simple words in a Google search brought up a long list of media reports and quotes from the Pope. The very first Google item was headlined: “Vatican deplores Israeli attack on Lebanon” from the Catholic World News, dated July 14, which stated, QUOTE: The Holy See has protested Israel's air raids on Lebanon, condemning both terrorist acts and reprisals that violate national sovereignty and strike at innocent civilians … "As in the past, the Holy See also condemns both the terrorist attacks on the one side and the military reprisals on the other," he continued." He argued that Israel's right to self-defense "does not exempt it from respecting the norms of international law, especially as regards the protection of civilian populations. In particular, Holy See deplores the attack on Lebanon, a free and sovereign nation." END QUOTE. Snyder is grinding a mean ax, and her tone reveals her deep prejudice. The Catholic Church, when it exercised near absolute totalitarian power in Europe, was a bloody institution, we all know. The Inquisition and the Crusades were as barbaric as an institution can get, but once the Church’s political and ecumenical powers were curbed, it became more peaceful. When was the last time the Catholic Church launched a war? When was the last time Israel launched a war?

What made FDR so great? . wrote on Aug 18, 2006 6:37 PM:.. So if all of what WW II blogger (1:33) said is true, what it is that made him one of our greatest presidents? There are many facets of intelligence, including verbal-linguistic, spatial-relations, emotional, logical-mathematical, intra- and inter-personal; and musical, among others. Certainly FDR ranked very high in verbal-linguistic, emotional, inter-personal. He was extremely gifted in those qualities of leadership which were good for the human race. Dubya, on the other hand, ranks extremely low in verbal-linguistic, emotional and inter-personal. Dubya is cursed with those qualities of leadership which are destructive for the human race. You know, moral integrity in a leader ranks infinitely higher than the spiritual McCarthyism of Mr. George W. Bush.

Ron wrote on Aug 18, 2006 6:55 PM:Is Be skeptical - very skeptical for Real? The one thing we have learned from 9/11 is radicals will use airplanes to bomb buildings, that's what we learned. This guy thinks it was PROPAGANDA? I have no doubt there is always a political element regarding the timing of certain information, but this guy wants to believe it's all hype, and no fire? We have seen the London bombings, Bombings in Spain, and he still believes it's hype to produce fear. No Sir, it's the bombings that produce fear! Which is their intent! "A phantom enemy?" "I would bet it is mostly another hoax." "...American war crimes under way in Lebanon."????????? The only thing missing in this whole statement is Elvis is still alive and living in Brazil. For god's sake.

David wrote on Aug 18, 2006 7:41 PM:Actually I thought Frank Lancelotti's letter was well written, regardless of whether I agree with it or not. Unlike so many letter writers and bloggers, it seems to me that he just stated what he thought, rather than slamming individuals. After all, this is an opinion page.

Ron wrote on Aug 18, 2006 8:00 PM:Un-informed letter writer, who cares what the Pope said about war? This from the church that historically brought us their own terror, and blood. And now they have given us pedophiles. They choose not to correct those under their authority, and sacrifice little children. Why should we care what they say about the rest of us?

FDR blogger wrote on Aug 18, 2006 8:23 PM:to the 6:37pm blogger: I'm going to take a wild guess here...you are a life-long Democrat, right? Keep on towing the party line.

DISon wrote on Aug 18, 2006 8:37 PM:I'll tell you one thing that made FDR stand out - The service of his sons in WWII. One of them, James, fought in a raider group and was darn near killed on Makin. Imagine that nowadays. A president's kid not only in the military but on the front lines. This is the hypocricy that many should note. Just before the Iraq war started two Marine officer's spoke in confidence to Charles Glass about their opposition to the war. Two reasons they gave were: occupation cannot work; and young Marines risking their lives knew that the sons of the war's architects, like Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz, would never face combat or risk death in Iraq. I don't know how those in uniform could even stomach this chicken hawk group. A once proud military has been made servile to incompetence.

To Save Our State wrote on Aug 18, 2006 9:47 PM:You say that the illegals don't belong here. However, I disagree with that. We have no business deporting them when parts of this country have houses that are either standing empty or have been destroyed by hurricanes and tornadoes. We need to ship the illegals to the Midwest.

To Loony Liberal wrote on Aug 19, 2006 1:01 AM:Excuse me, but "Love Thy Enemy is NOT one of the Ten Commandments - since you are, admittedly, not a Christian, see if you can borrow a bible from somebody who is. READ IT! Then, if you feel the need to quote, at least you'll get it right.

To "Save Our State" wrote on Aug 19, 2006 11:43 AM:Regarding your 9:47 PM post - Nah, send them suckers back to where they came from. They'd be illegals regardless of what part of the country they are in. The object is to solve the problem, not move it somewhere else in our country. Besides, I'm from the Midwest.

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