Landlord wrote on Aug 17, 2006 12:18 AM:I'm a landlord and I have no incentive to rent to illegal immigrants. Why do I need the headache? And, I have zero incentive to allow overcrowding. Why? My property will get worn down faster. Preventing overcrowding is an easy fix - I require in my leases a list of names of who will be living at the property. If this stupid ordinance passes and I do citizenship checks or deny housing to people who "look" illegal, you can bet I'll be sued and I'll loose. The whole idea of Waldron saying that this is to prevent overcrowding is stupid. Waldron failed in her bid for State Assembly, Waldron is just trying to grab headlines and get herself reelected.

Federal Political Corruption wrote on Aug 17, 2006 12:19 AM:At the meeting tonight, I learned about yet another immigration law that is being ignored and not enforced by our chief Federal Law Enformcement Officer: Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.

EscoLocal wrote on Aug 17, 2006 12:21 AM:One of my neighbors had to call the City about 19 people being packed into a single house. They were stuffed into bedrooms, the living room, garage, and even on the porch. BUT, there were zero Latinos living there. At best, Waldron's assumption that overcrowding is done by Latinos is a huge mistake, and at worst, it's the "R" word.

Stop the Invasion wrote on Aug 17, 2006 12:26 AM:Because California and Escondido have subjected to encroachment by vast hordes of foreign people crowding in upon us (an actual invasion), exclusive Federal jurisdiction over illegal immigrants evaporates under US Constitution, Article 1, second 10, 3rd paragraph!

No Federal Discrimination wrote on Aug 17, 2006 12:28 AM:The US Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) has stated that screening housing applicants on the basis of citizenship status does not violate the Fair Housing Act (42 USC 3601+). http://www.hud.gov/offices/fheo/library/sept11.cfm

No gritar! wrote on Aug 17, 2006 1:18 AM:Waaa, it's because you're racists. Waaa, it's class discrimination to quell the unfounded fear and hatred of the elitists. Well, we all know the kind of crying and name calling that we'll hear over this overdue attempt at saving Escondido from it's own urban decay, due primarily from the massive influx of illegal aliens and their offspring. The ACLU as well as others will attempt to further erode the city's finances and intimidate other cities with similar goals by filing lawsuits, and every other front man for these "immigrant activist groups" (FYI, I'm a legal immigrant and they don't represent me!) will attempt to steal a moment in front of the cameras and microphones to also cry racism and every other foul name that they can conjure up to stir emotions and avoid the real issue, which is illegal immigration and the detrimental effects and financial burden placed on society, and in this case the city of Escodido. I applaud the city council members that had the spine to stand up for and protect the legal citizens of Escondido. Newman and Pfeiler are cowards. It's a first step in a long journey, but at least things are starting to happen. OK, it's time for all the people that knowingly came here illegally to now cry that they are the victims as though they were kidnapped and held here against their will. You're right, you are the victims. You're right, Escondido needs you and your positive social and economic contributions. If I were you I'd head south about 75 miles. That would show the city council how wrong they are. La gente orgullosa se iria, but I know that doesn't apply here, because you have no pride

Long Time Resident wrote on Aug 17, 2006 1:30 AM:Way to go City Council. We need this ban to bring back some quality of life for the "LEGAL" residents of the City of Escondio. Right now the City is going in the toilet.

My God wrote on Aug 17, 2006 2:08 AM:Honestly, for all of those whose ancestors immigrated from other countries, we can only be happy that similar ordinances weren't drafted for our ancestors. Thank God that Ms. Waldron wasn't around during the 1800s to kick the Irish immigrants out of their tenancy and thank God she wasn't around in the early 1900s to kick the Italians out of theirs. All you need to do to inform yourself of the idiocy of this debate is read a common history book and turn to the pages devoted to immigration to realize that this is not the first group of people to come to this country facing extreme amounts of discrimination and xenophobia. In the 1800s it was the Irish and the Chinese, in the 1900s it was the Italians, and now it is the Mexicans. Same stuff, different day.

Hornets' nest wrote on Aug 17, 2006 3:30 AM:It is good to have one of these dog and pony shows occasionally to remind us of how lop-sided and mind-boggling this issue really is. The mere thought that we've allowed this to deteriorate to this level should give us pause. Here we sit being lectured to in a foreign language about our responsibilities to provide for foreign nationals at U.S. taxpayer expense, with everything that they see, want and demand. Yes, Marie screwed up on this one; she didn't go nearly far enough. Her timing stinks and the proposed ordinance is rife with problems but it keeps it on the front burner. I predict that our sanctuary major and Newman will still be on the same side after the November elections. Not on the dais.

Hornets' nest wrote on Aug 17, 2006 3:33 AM:It is good to have one of these dog and pony shows occasionally to remind us of how lop-sided and mind-boggling this issue really is. The mere thought that we've allowed this to deteriorate to this level should give us pause. Here we sit being lectured to in a foreign language about our responsibilities to provide for foreign nationals at U.S. taxpayer expense, everything that they see, want and demand. Yes, Marie screwed up on this one; she didn't go nearly far enough. Her timing stinks and the proposed ordinance is rife with problems but it keeps it on the front burner. I predict that our sanctuary major and Newman will still be on the same side after the November elections. Not on the dais.

El Guero wrote on Aug 17, 2006 5:02 AM:Bravo to councilmembers Waldron, Gallo, and Abed. 'Quality of life issues' are indeed what this initiative is all about. The law prohibits discrimination based on race, national origin, or ‘arbitrary classifications’ (such as sexual orientation). Requiring landlords to verify the residency status of their tenants violates NONE of these protections. This ordinance will have the effect of cleaning up neighborhoods and protecting quality of life for all [legal] residents, which is exactly the mission of local government. The lawsuit threat is a red herring. As with Vista’s day-labor hiring ordinance, any legal challenge to this common-sense approach to protecting neighborhoods will get laughed out of court.

a reader wrote on Aug 17, 2006 5:22 AM:YES!! Thank you Escondido for being brave enough to address this issue! It is a SERIOUS problem in Escondido. Anyone with doubts need only go to a school, drive around these neighborhoods, go to Palomar Hospital Emergency Room, open your eyes! This is not an issue about immigrants that are here legally who are a very welcome asset to our community. It is about the scores of folks that bypass the system and are draining our city, state, and country dry! I am tired of it. I do not want to have to press one for English when I make a call. (even though I am bilingual, by choice) This is America where English is our language! I applaud you, City Council. I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!!!

El Guero wrote on Aug 17, 2006 5:31 AM:It's councilwimp Ron Newman who sounds like the grandstanding politician, criticizing the motives of councilmember Waldron and attributing them to an 'election cycle.' Good thing Newman's stepping down after his term's up. I suggest he go retire in East L.A. (or even Mission Park).

JD wrote on Aug 17, 2006 5:34 AM:Mr. Newman, your motives are clear: 1. Stop the re-election of Ms. Waldron. Is Ms. Waldron a potential rival against you when you seek higher office? 2. Your fear of being sued over you courage to do the right thing by taking a stand against lawbreakers. Fear of taking a stand is all to common in this day and age, it's too bad even our elected officials hesitate to take a stand because of treatened lawsuits! Get the message, illegal means illegal. Stand up and do the right thing to enforce and re-enforce the laws.

gimmeabreak wrote on Aug 17, 2006 5:35 AM:Two words, people: "Equal Protection." This thing is going to turn into a big $$$ loser for the City of Escondido, and Councilwoman Waldron will deserve all the thanks. It will continue to polarize the city. It will not survive legal challenges, which will be filed - perhaps by several people/organizations, and it will eat up city resources in the process. No politicking going on here, is there? Newman is absolutely right, and since he is not running for re-election, has a more than a bit of credibility for his stance. Ms. Waldron, they don't teach stoking the fires of racial/ethnic angst in Catechism classes, do they?

Steve wrote on Aug 17, 2006 6:16 AM:Congratulations Marie Waldron and Escondido City council for taking the right step. America is proud of you. This will IMPROVE Escondido greatly. Thank you.

Jeff wrote on Aug 17, 2006 6:41 AM:Thank you to the courageous majority on the Escondido City Council who choose to take action on this critical issue. Stopping the invasion of illegal aliens, like many momentous changes in America, will start with the actions of a steadfast few. I'm proud that Escondido, and three Councilmembers with courage and vision, has chosen to play a leading role.

About Time wrote on Aug 17, 2006 6:51 AM:Well its about time the city is "attempting" to do something about these Illegals. I just wish we would have drafted this law up in 1990. We might not have the "invasion" we have going on today. Of course the Mayor wants to put the kabosh on this law. I hate this Mayor and I hope she has a hard time sleeping at night knowing how full of crap she is. If we dont do something now then you can kiss Escondido goodbye. It wont take long before it become 95% hispanic and all of us "evil white people" will be living elsewhere. Heck, frankly I only care because I was born and raised here, but what does that matter my voice falls on deaf ears because I am not rich. Fact is I am already moving out of this dump.

Mary wrote on Aug 17, 2006 7:03 AM: No one is pointing a finger at just one race. What part of illegal do people not understand! I'm tired of hearing how everyone is picking on those who are here from Mexico.This new law means all illegal immigrants, so if your here illegally you are already breaking the law.It's time the cities did something on this matter since the state and federal goverments seem unwilling to.

Ron Burgandy wrote on Aug 17, 2006 7:10 AM:Was at the mtg yesterday and what a crowd! The most intelligent and moving comments were given by super patriot, Councilman Sam Abed (most impressive!...this guy should run for higher office). Marie Waldron was, as usual, great. But Mayor Pfeiler and Councilman Ron Neuman, were pathetic. Thank God Neuman's tenure if finished in Nov. He's about the most spineless, gutless, self righteous excuse for a man/politician I've seen in a while and the same goes for Mayor Pfeiler, who is the one that coddles illegals and has helped turn once beautiful Escondido into Mexcondido, parts of which now resemble 3rd world hovels. Disgraceful! Also, the vitriolic, racist hate speech from the Latino anarchists was offensive to many, even in the Council chambers. Councilman Abed told the audience a recent federal study reveals there are OVER 35 THOUSAND ILLEGAL ALIENS in Mexcondido!!!!!! No wonder this city is sinking faster than a ton of bricks w/out of control crime, gangs, rapes, murders, stabbings, drugs, sex slavery and uncontrollable graffiti. The terrible problems w/this out of control Mexican Invasion are about to get much worse.

Ted wrote on Aug 17, 2006 7:22 AM:Oh Boy, the ACLU is already packing up the hybrid powered SUV and heading for the courthouse! If only they could make this law stick

Its about time wrote on Aug 17, 2006 7:43 AM:I think that it is about time that someone put a stop to illegal issues in Escondido. I moved out of that town several years ago because I was tired of living in a second Tijuana. I had a neighbor kill a goat in his front yard in the middle of the day; my children were outside playing when it happened. That was just one of many, many things. I keep seeing the comments that say "what would we do if we didn’t have them picking the fruit and taking care of the flowers" I would use one of California’s untapped resources, prisoners. If it is costing us millions of dollars a year to house them, then why not make them work? They have nothing better to do with there day, put them to work. But back to the illegals. When I want to rent a home, I have to have my credit checked, they check my employment, they check my previous land lord, they want to know how many people are going to live in the house and may even run a credit check on them also. Why as an American citizen am I put through all of that but yet you can have 15 or more illegal’s living in a 2 bedroom apt? That in itself is not only illegal but unsafe and unsanitary. The real problem with this plan is if they cannot get a place to live in Escondido then they will just go to San Marcos, Vista or Oceanside. In order for California to get a grip on things the entire state needs to apply the same laws, to every town and community.

Fire Newman! wrote on Aug 17, 2006 7:49 AM:Councilman Ron Newman, you should resign TODAY! I only wish Casey Wian from CNN had been able to make it there last night so the whole nation would see what an incompetent city councilman looks like. Your comments were so outrageously inappropriate. You had the same smug, ignorant attitude when we sat with you in a private meeting about 5 months ago to discuss problems with illegals in your city. And you were a former LE officer? You shame all the current officers out there today dealing with the illegal alien invasion, especially in Escondido. Shame on you sir. Please step down today and let someone else do the job that will take their oath to the citizens seriously. You are a traitor to the good people of Escondido. America is watching how Escondido handles their crisis and this is what you show them. How sad.

CR wrote on Aug 17, 2006 7:55 AM:Great job, Council majority! Now focus on the parking issue--homes with 8 cars for the four families living inside. Lori and Ron are just not in touch with reality in Escondido--apparently they like things the way they are. The issue is spending taxpayer money on citizens, which was brought up many times last night. Illegals are a drain on city, county, state, and federal services. They come here with their hands out--demanding their "rights".

In favor... wrote on Aug 17, 2006 7:59 AM:Thank you, Esco City Council! I too come from a line of immigrants. And believe it or not, I am happy that you are doing this. I have been disappointed that so many ILLEGALS come into our country, after the rest of us have worked so hard to 'do it the right way'. While come people complain about this... know that you have others behind you supporting your efforts!

Esconiddo Resident wrote on Aug 17, 2006 8:00 AM:Mayor Pfeiler stated that the City is not qualified to verify someone’s citizenship and that it should be verified at the border or at the workplace only. So our Mayor can’t verify citizenship, but she thinks an employer without a high school education can do a better job? I can’t believe that! She took the easy way out. Our mayor needs to show some courage!

Amazed wrote on Aug 17, 2006 8:03 AM:It is amazing how people come into the United States illegally and then feel that they can demand what they want. Illegal aliens demand housing, healthcare, education in the U.S. They left THEIR country where they were citizens and where they HAD housing, healthcare and education. How bold to come to another country illegally and demand rights! If we went to another country and did the same, we would be laughed at at best, and thrown into prison or shot at worst.

Tired of being a doormat wrote on Aug 17, 2006 8:06 AM:A speaker at the council meeting mentioned the Mission Park Community Survey done in June 2006. This report states that the “Mission Park area (in Escondido) is home, and often the “first stop” for many new immigrants..” Of course this report fails to state the obvious; these are ILLEGAL immigrants. It goes on to say that 44% (of the residents in this area) speak English less than “very well”. Despite pouring money into this area, it continues to deteriorate. Something has to be done. This resolution is the first step. Thank you Marie Waldron.

Place the blame on the right person wrote on Aug 17, 2006 8:09 AM:Councilman Newman is out of touch with the wishes of the citizens of Escondido. Sure everyone feels bad for the young children that are affected, but it is their PARENTS, the illegal aliens that broke the law coming here, that are to blame for putting their children in that position! He says this issue is about politics and that he gets the same emails as the other councilmembers. I doubt this is the case. Citizens don’t bother to send emails and letters to Newman on these issues because he doesn’t have the nerve to stand up on the tough ones. Too bad. But at least he isn’t running for the council again in November.

Stop overcrowding wrote on Aug 17, 2006 8:10 AM:A landlord at the council meeting last night stated that the overcrowding evident in Escondido meant that there was a great need for more housing in Escondido. I feel that this is totally untrue. Without any changes in our laws, adding more low income housing will only result in more overcrowded low income housing. Be realistic!

Not a Racist wrote on Aug 17, 2006 8:17 AM:Trying to make this a racist issue is ridiculous. Since when is it racist to expect people to obey the laws of the land? The issue at hand is that Escondido, and our nation, cannot continue to support illegal immigration at its current rate. The legal residents suffer. Education suffers. Crime increases. This is not a racist issue. We just can’t support them. Illegal aliens cry racism when they don’t get their way. Take a look at “La Raza”. Now there’s a racist organization!

Pround to be an Escondidian wrote on Aug 17, 2006 8:19 AM:Oh Yeah!! Go City Council, watch out illegals!!! Everybody gets re-elected except the loser Mayor! Oh Yeah, we bad, we bad, we Escondidians!!! About Time!! C'mon aclu dinks and you mexican activist we ready for you! We bad, oh bad, we bad!! YEAH FOR AMERICA!!!!! RED WHITE AND BLUE FOREVER!!!!

ColorBlind wrote on Aug 17, 2006 8:24 AM:At a national level, United States citizens have a soveriegn right to determine who immigrates into our country. The illegal alien deprives us of our right to screen that person based on what skills, education, national allegiance, criminal background and diseases that person brings along. Conversely, legal immigrants disclose these facts first, and if we determine it to be in our national interest to admit them, we welcome them in. This is our sovereign right; the illegal alien has no right to demand exemption from this process. If you snuck into this country illegally, you need to go home, then go get in line at the U.S. embassy behind your fellow countrymen. We welcome thousands of honest, healthy, skilled, educated people of color into our country each year who affirm allegiance to our country. Perhaps you can be one of them. It is our right to choose. That is why we have immigration laws. At the local level, tax dollars are exhausted paying for policing and educating families that reside in Escondido as a result of having broken immigration laws. Escondido has a right to cut their losses by discouraging illegal aliens from renting in their city. There are existing laws that expressly forbid discrimination based on race. Supporters of illegal aliens say the Hispanic Community is targeted. No, the Illegal Alien community is targeted. People of any color are welcome to rent in Escondido, so long as they are legal U.S. residents.

ED wrote on Aug 17, 2006 8:26 AM:About time ! Hopefully many more cities across the US will adopt this policy. Those who are here illegally, will be forced to back to "their" country.

Tim from Vista wrote on Aug 17, 2006 8:34 AM:It sure seems that when the going gets tough the tough yell "Racism". What is it about the word "Illegal" that the activist groups don't understand? It's just starting to come to light that the cost of "Illegal" aliens is beginning to stress the economic infrastructure of our local communities and the state of California to the breaking point. They (illegal aliens) all new this was coming. They new that it was only a matter of time before their population grew so great that it would sound alarms to the "legal" citizens of thier respective communities. Well, that time has arrived. Now they know that we "legal" citizens are not going to put up with the tide of "illegal" aliens coming to our country any longer. The silent majority is awake now. This will be shown in the way we vote. A right and privlidge that only "legal" citizens have. Politicians are aware of this. So when an ordinance like this is brought before a local city council, its not because its a "political ploy" as councilman Newman would have us beieve. Its what the majority of the people want, period! Ed Gallo and Marie waldron get it. And it will reflect in how Escondidans vote come this November.

Robin wrote on Aug 17, 2006 8:42 AM:I think Waldron and her cronies are off the mark. The reason for the influx of the illegals is the welfare and "low-income" handouts we as the State of California so freely provide. If a landlord rents out to tenants who arent asking for a free ride there should be no harm, no foul. However, if a landlord knowingly rents out to 8 adults plus kids for a 2 bedroom apartment, then yes, they are directly contributing to the overcrowding issue and reprimands should be in order for these situations. If this proposal flies, will be interesting to see the revenue impact and how many property mgmt co's go under. I'm tired of this "open season" on illegals--it's become fashionable to be racist and I agree with Ron Newman, that Waldron is creating her own policital bandwagon for re-election. Get rid of the freebie programs for non-citizens and watch the exodus unfold.

Thank you! wrote on Aug 17, 2006 9:02 AM:Thank you City Councilmembers Waldron, Abed, and Gallo, for your courage in addressing this problem! This is the first step in reclaiming our city, and making it a wonderful place to live!

Gloria wrote on Aug 17, 2006 9:03 AM:Now that this ordinance is in place, I'd like to know how landlords will be required to ensure their tenants are legal citizens? As we all know, illegals carry fake green cards, so how do landlords confirm validity? A rental agreement is under the name of one or two persons. Are they the only ones who have to provide proof of citizenship to their landlord? What about all the other persons that are living in the household? Most landlords require a social security card. How do landlords ensure that a social security number is in fact assigned to a person who wishes to rent/lease from them? I don't live in Escondido, but I hope that the Escondido City Council has steps in place as to how to verify citizenship. Without these steps, this ordinance may be uselss.

Jimi W. wrote on Aug 17, 2006 9:11 AM:Interesting how immigration reform is now occuring from the bottom up rather than top down. This is a sure sign that the folks are fed up and the Bush administration is completely out of touch. This is beginning to look like 1855, half supporting slavery, half not. A civil war is coming, get ready. These people have proven that when pushed, they reacte violently, they won't go peacefully.

Federal Political Negligence wrote on Aug 17, 2006 9:13 AM:At the meeting last night, I learned about yet another immigration law that is being ignored and not enforced by our chief Federal Law Enformcement Officer: Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.

April wrote on Aug 17, 2006 9:23 AM:This ban needs to take effect immediately! I would vote for Waldon as Mayor!!! To read that our mayor now is against this ban does not surprise me, it's because of Pfeiler for what Escondido has become..."Mexcondido"!! And for her to say this is a political move shows me more how she does not see outside of City Hall. Drive down Mission, Washington, Midway at 6pm, wake up on a Saturday morning and come see all the graffiti that these criminals leave each and every week and you tell me we don't have a problem. I recently went to the QuikCornor gas station on Midway & Valley Parkway to get propane and the guy who helped me could not even speak engish, my husband and I were absolutly disgusted. I want to have Engish speaking people help me in my own city with out a translation book! I'm not on vacation in a forgien country...this is my HOME and City!!This has got to stop! So by having the city banning illegals from renting here they also would not work here which in turn would bring back the legal english speaking person. We no longer would see numerous cars parked on lawns, one family one home, not one home 2-5 families. No more taco shops, we have enough and we have enough mexican stores. Here's a good one, illegals buying/renting homes using their children's social security numbers because they were born here since their Illegal parents gave birth here which makes them US citizens.Then I see the wives don't work they stay home, but how do they make the mortgage/rent, which we all know are absolutly absurd here in Southern California, does the City have "special" programs that might help families like these so they are able to live here. I can't seem to understand how so many homes are being rented/bought by hispanic families who don't speak english, what's the secret? And NO I will NOT move...I pay taxes and I love my home and I know this City can bounce back especially with people like Marie Waldon. We just need more on them holding counsil seats.

IT IS ABOUT DEMOCRACY! wrote on Aug 17, 2006 9:26 AM:The registered American Citizen voters have a right to say how their tax money is to be used, and their cities run. Illegal Aliens have no rights. Except to be deported!

No Federal Discrimination wrote on Aug 17, 2006 9:37 AM:The US Department of Housing and Urban Development has stated that screening housing applicants on the basis of citizenship status does not violate the Fair Housing Act (42 USC 3601+). http://www.hud.gov/offices/fheo/library/sept11.cfm

SadCity wrote on Aug 17, 2006 9:50 AM:Just as a landlord must process a potential applicant to determine payment history, and credit worthiness, or employment, determining legal status is simply an additional item of information to obtain. It is a factual piece of legal information unrelated to race. The city should back up this new requirement with some teeth by passing stricter parking, and codes that define the number of people who can live in certain ranges of square footage in rental units. There also must be a system in place to verify legal status. But, if this is our part, and as landlords we are being called to action in the war against illegal immigration, this is the least we can do. We have to begin elimination of priviledges that were intended for and paid by taxpaying citizens that have been given freely to illegal aliens. If this is the first in a series of steps we can take to make our city a better place in which to live, work and raise children, it is our duty as citizens to support this measure, it only behooves us in the long run to do so.

Concerned wrote on Aug 17, 2006 9:55 AM:Let the people decide. Given all the radicals on both sides of this issue, it is easy to become polarized one way or the other. Obviously it is important, or we wouldn't have this outrage. This is a democracy. We elect officials. They, or we, propose laws. Laws are voted on and enacted or rejected. Marie Waldon, in my opinion, has come forth with a law that makes sense. The reference to the ghetto in Escondido brings her point to reality. The Escondido City Council passed the motion. It should now be enacted. I believe a vote of the citizens of Escondido would have won as well. Until the day when illegals can vote (I would hope never), or there are more illegal supporters than others, the people have spoken. It's still America. We still speak English. We care about our cities and the environment. We do not want to become a third world country. Is that so wrong?

Mexicans take advantage of Mexicans wrote on Aug 17, 2006 10:00 AM: I think that every city should have a clause or regulation that limits the number of people who live in a single family dueling this is a serious issue in Oceanside, Vista and Escondido. Asking for citizenship is not the solution though. Interesting the very people that take advantage of these illegal aliens are the very Mexicans that rent the apartments from the landlords. They sub-rent to dozens of illegal aliens so that they can make money out of these illegal aliens. They are charged high rents for sleep in a bathtub or the kitchen floor and so forth, it is the new scam.

RH wrote on Aug 17, 2006 10:03 AM:Mr. Rodriguez, there is a big difference between "Questioning" ones citizenship and "Verifying" ones citizenship. When we go through the Border patrol check points, they are not questioning citizenship, they are verifying it. I believe the May 1 protest gave us a taste of how uncrowded it would be if the Illegals were gone. it kind of backfired on them.

Newman wrote on Aug 17, 2006 10:09 AM:OBVIOUSLY isn't going to listen to his VOTING constituents! He will be on the outside looking in, with the mayor!

David wrote on Aug 17, 2006 10:23 AM:Pay attention Oceanside City Council. Prepare to follow suite or lose your seats. All three of you.

Good hosts and bad guests wrote on Aug 17, 2006 10:25 AM:Ever have a guest come to stay with you and overstay their welcome? Of course you have, we all have. They're called illegal aliens. It's like they smelled the food from a bbq down the street and decided that they'd crash the party. When the hosts were gracious enough to share their food with these strangers, they then invited their relatives and friends. The next day after the event was over they decided that they liked your house better than they liked their own, so they then moved in. When you finally kicked them out and gave them a ride home, they then returned and broke in when you weren't looking. As if that wasn't enough, they then demanded equal rights in your home even though they have no respect for you and continued to demand even more free food and assistance, while they're slowly tearing down your home board by board. The truth is that for a group of people that claim to be so proud, they actually possess no pride at all. If they did, they would have left after the first time they were asked and they would have thanked you for the meal that you provided for them. If these people were so proud they wouldn't want to be where they're obviously unwanted. They shout things like "brown pride", "latino pride", and then call everybody else a racist. Is it everybody elses fault that the majority are from Mexico? We all know it, but if we say it we're racists. It doesn't even make sense. Your born what you look like, it's your actions that you should be proud of. Staying where your unwanted is nothing to be proud of. Illegal aliens have no pride, if they did, they'd have the cleanest neighborhoods with the least amount of crime and graffiti. Guess what, if that were the case, nobody would have asked you to leave

Concerned wrote on Aug 17, 2006 10:27 AM:It saddens me to see such hatred and racism in this blog. I wonder how you all will feel when you see homeless children on the streets due to this oridance. Don't give me that B.S. that it's all their parents fault. Some these children are American citizens.

Harry wrote on Aug 17, 2006 10:57 AM:Colorblind: I respect your oppinion and the way you express it. I am not a proponent of the rental ordinance that puts landlords in the role of surregate immigration officers--I believe that puts them at risk and creates a liability for them that is unreasonable. I don't think the targeted population will pack up and go home. It is more likely to increase the numbers of people living in shanty towns and camps with the correlate problems of sanitation, education, health. It is pretty much a given that the millions of undocumented immigrants are not going to self deport, unless the economy of Mexico takes off like a rocket. I think we need to find a way to do the sort of screening that you describe for those already here and deport those who don't meet the standard. To make that work we need secure boarders. I think in many cases the energy driving the anti illegal immigration movement is racist and xenophobic. (I don't hear that in your comment.) I really expect to hear the same type of racist remarks about legal immigrants from the Sudan and Hati and South East Asia and against Muslims from almost anywhere.

HELP! wrote on Aug 17, 2006 10:58 AM:Hey with Escondido now returning to an American city, I have a question. When I go to Jack in the Box....how do I ask for a taco in English?

RQ wrote on Aug 17, 2006 11:07 AM:Escondido, Welcome to Nazi Germany!

I was there wrote on Aug 17, 2006 11:34 AM:It was shameful to see that Marie Waldron had to "import" supporters of her proposal from other counties and cities. She brought in a fringe element of rude, hollerin' hootin', old timers who do not represent the interst of city residents. Those in opposition were polite, articulate, educated, professionals from the community with genuine concerns. Sam & Ed - you held this city down while Marie kicked it around. You should be ashamed of your ignorance and cowardice.

Bad comparison to earlier immigration wrote on Aug 17, 2006 11:34 AM:I'm sick and tired of the pro-illegal alien bunch talking about America being a land of immigrants. Yes, it is a land of immigrants. LEGAL immigrants. My guess is that there weren't hordes of ILLEGAL Irish storming Ellis Island in the 1800s and hordes of ILLEGAL Italians storming Ellis Island in the 1900s.

Rebuttal to My God wrote on Aug 17, 2006 11:35 AM:I understand your concerns. However, you so obviously and blatently left out one important point. Those Irish, Chinese and Italians were LEGAL immigrants. Obviously, this is not a concept that is understood by you and those who are invading California ILLEGALLY and then demanding their rights!

Pete wrote on Aug 17, 2006 11:40 AM:Illegals are slowly bringing our whole country down. They are only good for menial jobs and drawing welfare and destroy our school systems, as don't believe in education. Other than picking up old soda cans from the trash, what good are they?

Newman is wrong wrote on Aug 17, 2006 11:43 AM:How dare Councilman Newman say that this is a political move by Waldron. He says that this is a popular issue. Well, duh! Heaven forbid that a politician actually do what their citizens (legal citizens, that is) want them to do. You should try that for a change Ron. The biggest political move was done by Olga Diaz who, afterwards, proudly proclaimed on TV that she was so mad that she was running for city council. Hopefully that will be her only 15 minutes of fame.

Wunderkid wrote on Aug 17, 2006 11:48 AM:Hey does this mean now all the Mexican grocery stores in Escondido are going to change their names to USA Markets? Waving American flags...calling me partner? Just wundering.

Reader wrote on Aug 17, 2006 12:04 PM:Kudos to Marie Waldron!!!! We praise you!!! Please help us get our city back. We need more Marie Waldrons in Escondido. Time for Lori to be replaced as Mayor! Ask anyone returning this year for their 20 and 40 year reunions..Escondido has turned into a dump and it has been overwhelmed with illegals who have made it that way and its pretty sad to see a city turn that way. 20 years ago it was a great city!! They are starting to make employers go to JAIL for hiring illegals..it should be no different for landlords....Escondido survived without illegals 20 and 40 years ago, we will survive now!!!

BVV wrote on Aug 17, 2006 12:07 PM:My mike went dead after the 2 minutes was up, which is no problem. But for those who required a translator, was the time extened to 4 minutes? The Council kept far better order than in previous hot issues before them. As I read about other cities that are taking similar actions, who are being sued by the ACLU, I wondered what would happen if so many cities took these kinds of measure and the ACLU went broke from all the lawsuits. Aaah what a beautiful thought.8171207p

Lora wrote on Aug 17, 2006 12:11 PM:This is a wonderful way to make life difficult for illegal aliens who have chosen to violate our laws by entering this country illegally. If they cannot secure housing, they will be unable to get jobs, and without jobs, there will be no money to draw them here. This isn't an issue of "Race", but rather an issue of maintaining our country and it's borders as a soverign nations should. Only the USA has been so lax in security, as to jeopardize everything this country represents, everything our peope have worked for. Those who have entered this country legally, will still be able to obtain the hosing they need, providing they don't invite illegal freinds to share their residences with them. Landlords have every right to control how many people, and which people, live in their units, and a social responsibility to ensure the number of people in a single unit doesn't exceed what the property was designed for. I encourage every city to draft similar legislation and enforce it, to keep our communities good for American Citizens. Let other countries worry about the wellbeing of their people, and the USA take care of their own!

Al wrote on Aug 17, 2006 12:15 PM:Waldron for Mayor! She did the right thing for Escondido. naturally, Pfeiler voted against it and I'll be voting against her in the upcoming electon.

BVV wrote on Aug 17, 2006 12:17 PM:Hey folks ... what the City Council did yesterday was to authorize city staff to form a code that would deal with overcrowding, parking issues [it's impossible to get street parking on my street due to what appears to be an illegal boarding house]and other. They also want to require that landlords use the FREE federal link to verify legal residents. I had to give my SS# for a recent surgical procedure. It sort of surprised me, but I did it anyway. My employer asks for our SS# when we take the yearly "read-'em-their-rights" seminars. Any landlord who doesn't check SS# [good number, number/name match] is gambling with their property values. One of my pals had her rental house in Vista [15 years ago] totally trashed because the people she rented to, brought in others and it was very difficult to get them out [after neighbors complained] and the house had to be gutted and rebuilt. 817117p

Escondido Home-towner wrote on Aug 17, 2006 12:20 PM:"...establishing English as the city's official language"? So will Escondido then be changing its name to "Hidden," California? Kudos to Pfeiler and Newman for standing up for ALL of Escondidans.

Legal Overcrowding wrote on Aug 17, 2006 12:20 PM:Let’s say that the “illegals” become “legal.” They are still living in overcrowded conditions – causing extreme wear and tear on the real estate. So now you have “legal” overcrowding. Is that what you want? Because we already have that with "blended families" - "college students" - and very "large (but legal)" families.

American Citizen wrote on Aug 17, 2006 12:26 PM:As a US born citizen of Mexican heritage I was saddened to realize Marie's supporters didn't care if I was a citizen or not. They were cruel in their comments, and ill mannered to me, and everyone else in opposition of this proposal. If indeed this is not an issue of race but of residency status then they shouldn't have treated me poorly. In all "legal" respects, I am one of them, just not as pale.

Jenine wrote on Aug 17, 2006 12:34 PM:When one believes in America and it's freedom of choice, and being of both decensts, not everything is so black and white.... I was in the Navy 5 years and love Amercia, but believe in the opportunity in improving oneself, it's sad that people who want this opportunity have to break the law.

Patriot wrote on Aug 17, 2006 12:40 PM:Cities across the country like Escondido taking a stand may have an additional positive side affect: draining the bank account of the MCLU, er, ACLU. Contrary to their name, they are more concerned with the liberties of illegal aliens than they are with the liberties of Americans. As additional cities adopt laws such as this, the ACLU lawyers will find it increasingly difficult to file lawsuits everywhere. The ACLU needs to recognize that illegal aliens have the right to an air conditioned bus ride back to the border, and nothing else.

Concerned wrote on Aug 17, 2006 12:40 PM:Excuse me "My God," but when our ancestors immigrated here they did so under the law. When we came out west, we came and won the land by force. It was the way of the world at the time. Once here, we established laws. The illegal aliens here now are breaking those laws. And, what in the heck is wrong with the City of Escondido creating a law that makes it illegal to rent to illegal aliens? There is nothing wrong with that. Bring on the ACLU and rest of the anarchists, it's time to bring them to task for what is right in this country and what is constitutional. Your idio-babble is hogwash!

all I have to say wrote on Aug 17, 2006 12:47 PM:is be careful with "some" of the people running for city council this fall. They are very liberal and are not good choices for this city. We need to clean this city up so that we can attract more middle class hard working folks. This is a beautiful city, lets not let the illegals turn it into another trashy city. You can go to Mexico for that.

Politics R Not Bad wrote on Aug 17, 2006 12:52 PM:For 3 years and 9 months, our politicians ignore the voters, and pander to monied special interests. For 3 months out of every four years, our politician pander to the voters! In the Reconquista war with Mexico, this three month window may be our last opportunity before the voters are again shut out of City politics in favor the monied special interests so loved by the Lori Pfieler and Ron Neuman.

Hector wrote on Aug 17, 2006 12:52 PM:Why doesn't someone point out the hypocrisy in this debate? To say that we are against illegal immigration and not against illegal hiring practices is hypocrisy. Sure a few say that we should go after employers, but no one is making a good faith effort about this. Illegal immigration or hiring is still illegal, yet only one group is being targeted... Anti-illegal immigration groups need to get off their "high horse" so to speak and call a spade a spade. If you argument is based on "rule of law" then go after businesses also. Until you do so, the Hispanic community is suspect of you and will continue to view this as racism. Why will you not also go after the business community with as much vigor and passion as you do the illegal immigrants? They too are breaking your precious "rule of law." Come on folks, let's point out the hypocrisy in this whole debate.

kc wrote on Aug 17, 2006 12:56 PM:Escondido is really going downhill, whatever we can do to improve our image is welcome. Its not even a question of policy anymore, just look around. This once nice country type city is looking very slum like. Its sad. If I were to blame the huge influx of illegals over the last 16 years, up 32% since 1990, I would immediately be screamed a racist. But really folks , exactly why do you think our once nice city is turning dumpier on every corner? These people don't care what it looks like. They just want a roof over their 25 heads, even if that roof was only meant to cover 5 heads. Too many of these landlords only care if they are getting the rent. Not caring about what is happening to the appearance of their properties. They are worried about getting sued for being discriminatory. WHO CARES!! Have some pride of ownership. Your tenants don't, and are crapping up Escondido.

So Cal Native wrote on Aug 17, 2006 12:59 PM:Is the city going to conduct legal documentation training to all landlords and provide some kind of certificate of completion? Hello, they already use false documentation for everything. Just another ploy by the white majority to keep the bronze man down. Legal or illegal

I love this debate wrote on Aug 17, 2006 1:01 PM:...because I love the fact that all of the people say "it's not about race...its about all illegal immigrants" and then in the same sentence say "we gotta stop Escondido from becoming Esconmexico!". If you are going to contradict yourself, at least do it in different sentences. By the way who gives a rat's patoot if people speak Spanish around you? Does that make you crazy that someone speaks a languange other than English? I personally am a white guy but I like it when our society isn't just a whitebread, white picket fence culture. If you want that, go move to Iowa, not a city less than 30 miles from the Mexican border.

Former Landlord wrote on Aug 17, 2006 1:01 PM:SadCity is the first person to speak a word in favor of this that actually made some sense. So much of this blather is just racist flag waving. My take on it is that illegal aliens are not protected by our laws, they are protected by each other and their families. By putting up laws like this, you aren't going to stop that; you're just penalizing landlords. If you want to stop overcrowding, you need to allow a landlord to inspect his property without notice, given a court's approval.. something like a subpeona. Also, I found my tenant had four dogs overnight, I tried to evict him and it took three months and cost me $5000. I couldn't afford losing 5 grand every year, so I cut and ran. Waldron may not be the racist she's made out to be, but she's clearly not a landlord, either.

Bye 2 Angry Old Politician wrote on Aug 17, 2006 1:05 PM:I was thrilled to hear that Newman will not be on the City Council in a few months. The once masterful politician has become a spiteful political loser. Any good he has done in the last four years has been negated by his failure to believe that 30,000 illegal aliens live in Escondido, and his belittling of those who are willing to see the facts. Some politician age gracefully and become statesmen--other fall from grace and merely become irrelevant angry old politicians! Good-Bye and Good-Riddance!

kathy wrote on Aug 17, 2006 1:11 PM:yea it is about time. I moved out of escondido just for that reason. we can't move around because it is so crowded. we couldn't park our cars because they had too many. i too saw goats killed. this is not mexico. we want our country back. please all you voters, vote for it to pass and all you higher-ups make sure it sticks and we live by it.

Powder keg wrote on Aug 17, 2006 1:11 PM:What if? What would happen in the event of a natural disaster? What if clean water and electricity were unavailable for a prolonged amount of time (one week or more), and because of it everything in your refridgerator was ruined? I'm not a doomsday guy but we live in an area that is prone to earthquakes and most seismic experts claim that we're overdue for a large one. Having areas where population density far exceeds what local police, fire and emergency teams can adequately provide for is a recipe for a secondary disaster. Whether people are illegal or not, is initially a secondary issue when it comes to public safety. The fact that the most densely overpopulated areas of Escondido are predominately comprised of illegal immigrants and their children, makes the problem easy to identify. This is a good move for the overall health and future well being of the city. Imagine what might occur when all of these people hit the streets in search of? Think it can't happen here? Neither did the victims of hurricane Katrina

To Wunderkid wrote on Aug 17, 2006 1:14 PM:Hopefully they will all get together like they did on May 1st, This time though have a day when no illegal immigrants live among us. Just think, they would all move back to Mexico for a day and we will be able to lock the door behind them.

Jim wrote on Aug 17, 2006 1:28 PM:Escondido's politically correct mayor is again on the wrong side of an important issue. First the boondoggle Sprinter, then the PPH/ERTC hospital fiasco and now against deslumming Escondido.

Ron Burgandy wrote on Aug 17, 2006 1:31 PM:Last night showed locals and the rest of the nation that WE AMERICANS are fed up, outraged and fighting mad over this invasion from Mexico that is literally destroying Escondido and thousands of other communities nationwide. It is absolutely, dangerously and completely out of control! This Mexican INVASION and COLONIZATION represents complete and total anarchy and lawlessness and it absolutely must stop. Anarchy from our politicians from our so called elected officials must end now and these corrupt politicians held accountable for the immense damage they have allowed and encouraged to take place in our communities. Come this November...VOTE MAYOR PFEILER OUT OF OFFICE. She is a danger and disgrace to Escondido! Neuman is a wimpy, self righteous, pathetic excuse of a man and politician as well. Thank God he's outta here in Nov.!

Oh Oh wrote on Aug 17, 2006 1:35 PM:I just thought...if the illegals leave Escondido, who is going to be the lucky city to recieve Escondidos unwanted THOUSANDS!! I suggest a draw of straws, the city with the shortest straw gets all of Escondidos illegals. How about it Vista, San Marcos, Carlsbad, Oceanside, c'mon one of you will have to pick up the slack.

Robert24 wrote on Aug 17, 2006 1:35 PM:Great job, Waldron, Abed and Gallo!!! What a couple of jokes we have in Newman and Pfeiler. Thank goodness Newman is almost out, and that Pfeiler has a good chance of not being re-elected. This is a great first step in taking our town back. Which brings me to the comment by Jimi W. "These people have proven that when pushed, they reacte (sic) violently, they won't go peacefully". I am thankful for those with the backbone (Waldron, Gallo, Abed) to stand up and address this before it gets any worse. It may be a "popular" topic now, but it always takes guts to stand up for something controversial. Good job, Escondido! Keep it up!!

San Marcos resident wrote on Aug 17, 2006 1:48 PM:Escondido, you are doing the right thing. You are lucky to have Marie fighting for you. Hey Marie, can you come to San Marcos and clean this city up when you are done? The council has a right to protect their city. The government isn't going to do it, and the mayor sure isn't going to do it. Good Luck!

What? wrote on Aug 17, 2006 2:02 PM:I didn't really get Vincent Rodriguez's statement. So, just because he fought on the U.S. side, all his people (legal and illegal)could be free? It's not suppose to work that way Vincent.

To concerned wrote on Aug 17, 2006 2:04 PM:So what makes them different from the other homeless citizens in the county? I don't see you or the governments doing anything for them. Every winter we go through the same thing-where are they going to be housed?

Jerry wrote on Aug 17, 2006 2:05 PM:Ron Newman doesn't have a clue. He lied to mobilehome owners to get their support & then sided with park owners at every hearing. He's NOT running for re-election? Let's count our blessings.

Read em and Weep wrote on Aug 17, 2006 2:29 PM:Forget about our ancestors. This is modern day North Americana. And all the "what if"s need to take their greasy seats. Theres nothing racial about this city law. I'm hoping it goes nationwide. There's 2 factors at play: Greed vs. What's Right. Since the Mexs don't know what is right- look at all the news in the paper about the cartel, the elections, the corruption, etc. The rest of us citizens need to make the rules for the estupidos. And yes esco looks very ugly- why not clean it up. As far as Greed is concerned- $$$ is what we average peoples need to survive. So, lets hire some more under striving idiots to trabajo for us- get it?? The solution is to arrest and shut down any biz that even looks like it's hiring "". Let's consider more vigilante groups to organize in SD.

Ed wrote on Aug 17, 2006 2:33 PM:Where is the Border Patrol? Why aren't they out in the cities arresting illegal aliens? When was the last time you saw a Border Patrol Agent in Escondido or the rest of North County for that matter? There is a huge station being built in Temecula, and another in San Clemente, yet, every time I drive north, the check point is closed. What are they doing? No check point and no city patrols... Does the Border Patrol actually exist??? In the meanwhile, local jurisdictions plagued with the problems caused by illegal immigration are forced to take matters into their own hands and waste time passing and enacting laws that are already addressed else where... WHERE IS THE BORDER PATROL???!!!

Sam wrote on Aug 17, 2006 2:37 PM:I agree with the comments written from the person identifying himself as "Landlord". Why is Marie Waldron attempting to push the gate-keeping of illegal immigration to the public sector? Why isn't she, a member of our local government asking our local police officers and local school districts, other public agencies to support the illegal alien problem. Why are these government agencies given a free pass and passing their responsibilities on to the public sector? Let's have the first,second, and third lines of defense against the immigration issue accountable and responsible to do their jobs. Instead, Marie Waldron wants you as private citizens to do the governements jobs in addition to your own. She wants the public to do the job that our own federal, state, and local government is unwilling to do. Just today I received from our OWN Escondido Union School District a document that claims if you cannot show your's childs records including a birth certificate or a permanent address, you are still welcome to attend public schools. All you need as proof of residency is a utility bill! Where is the reform wihtin our own government? What are they responsible and accountable agenices within the government doing to protect the citizens rights?

Dan (Temecula) wrote on Aug 17, 2006 3:16 PM: Its simple white, black, brown, red whatever color, you ask for citizenship. It is a right to know who is legal, and who is not. Keyword illegal, means no rights except for a one way ticket back. On my way to Oceanside this morning (highway 76) the border patrol was out in full force near guajome park, and going the other way was a white car with a border patrol agent hanging on for dear life to the passenger door as the driver suspected illegal drove into trees, and bushes to try and knock the agent off at deadly speeds. My point is illegals don't obey are laws and are willing to kill in order to flea. For all we know there was drugs on board. This ordinance will help combat illegal actions that the Federal Government are clearly having problems controlling. There are so many good illegal immigrants, but there are so many bad ones, and we must deport all, and let one in at a time!!!

Resources wrote on Aug 17, 2006 3:27 PM:I hope Escondido is planning on providing landlords with the resources they'll need for screening and researching the immigration documents of potential tenants to determine if they are genuine. They could be stolen, forged, etc.

US Census Bureau wrote on Aug 17, 2006 3:31 PM:29.8% of Escondido residents are foreign born, according to the US Census Bureau. factfinder.census.gov Compare that with Carlsbad. Only 12.5% are foreign born. Also, 47.5% of Escondido residents live in non-english speaking homes--in Carlsbad it is only 17%! The Census Bureau fails to break down the number of illegal immigrants living in Escondido. Nevertheless, it is easy to believe that vast hordes of illegal immigrants are crowding Escondido. In other words, California and Escondido are actually being invaded!

THE ONE wrote on Aug 17, 2006 3:55 PM:HHHHHHMMMMMM? I BELIEVE THIS ALL GOES BACK TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

Jackie wrote on Aug 17, 2006 4:01 PM:This isn't about racism? April, how do you know the guy who helped you at the QuickCorner was an illegal? Are you also saying everyone who owns a taco shop is an illegal immigrant? No more Mexican stores? I thought this issue was about illegal immigrants abusing services they're not paying taxes toward. What's wrong with a legal immigrant owning a store? Please, 90 percent of these blog entries use the words Hispanic, Latino, Mexican and illegal immigrant interchangeably. This is a racist issue for most of you whether or not you'll admit it.

to My God wrote on Aug 17, 2006 4:06 PM:What you say may be true, but at least they were willing to learn to speak English. Never saw signs in Italian in stores all over SD or in Gaellic for that matter. Never did I have to press 3 for Italian, 4 for gaelic, 5 for Waku waku and so forth.

I'll vote for Waldron wrote on Aug 17, 2006 4:18 PM:For those detractors that say Waldron's proposal is only a political ploy...You're right. She is doing what the people of Escondido want. As far as I can see, she's the only one with the guts to come out and say what everyone is thinking. A political ploy...you bet, and she'll definitely have my vote.

El Guero wrote on Aug 17, 2006 4:48 PM:'Those opposed said it would divide the city.' The city's already divided: Sixty-six percent of Mission Park doesn't speak English.

Robert24 wrote on Aug 17, 2006 4:52 PM:RQ; not even close to Nazi Germany. You need to go back and read the history books. While I would not defend any part of Nazi Germany, there is no correlation to an attempt to eradicate a group (Jews) and the simple fact that we have allowed a group (predominantly Mexicans) to infiltrate our country illegally. What is wrong with the Escondido City Council enforcing the law, and how does it compare with any part of Nazi Germany? Sorry, but that was a dumb analogy. BTW, did any of you see the illegal activist in Chicago (I believe) who is hiding out in the church? She has a child here, and has been here illegally all this time, and has also been outspoken for "rights" for illegals. Wake up, people! Ya, it is unfortunate for her son, but you broke the law, lady! When you are deported back home, try spending some of your energy reforming your own country, instead of ours, and then try to teach your son to respect the laws of the land you are legal in. If you decide to come back here (legally), then you will be able to raise a son who is law abiding, not a law breaker like his mother.

Concerned wrote on Aug 17, 2006 4:58 PM:FYI guys, someone used that name and wrote a entry at 10:27. It wasn't me, the person who's been using that name for the past three months. You might have been able to tell by the tone, and possibly grammar, of the post.

Same Problem in Penasquitos wrote on Aug 17, 2006 4:59 PM:Way to Go Escondido. Wish more cities in San Diego County would Follow in your footsteps. These Illegals come over here, Dont pay taxes, Jion Gangs and kill police Officers Like the TWICE DEPORTED ILLEGAL ALIEN GANG MEMBER Adrian Camacho. This is the first step towards taking the city back and detering crime.Im sick and tired of the ACLU getting involved. They are just making idiots of themselves. <